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Default Would You Divide America With Russia. . . .

Would You Divide America With Russia. . . . If Not Then Why Would You Expect the Arabs TO Divide Palestine With The Jews? Hypocrisy, Obviously. . . . .

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Old 12-19-2005, 06:03 PM
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Default Wow, I kind of agree with you here (Kind of)

I always believed it was absolutely stupid to just hand over land to the Jews that was already controlled by the Palestinians. Seems like a recipe for war if you ask me, but what do you suppose we do know? Tell the Jews to up and get out? I'm sure that will go over really well. I suppose we could just wash our hands of the whole situation and let the Jews fend for themselves- winner take all, but then we would be loosing a key ally in the middle east. No, that's not fair. America helped create this problem, so America should help solve it.
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I always believed it was absolutely stupid to just hand over land to the Jews that was already controlled by the Palestinians. Seems like a recipe for war if you ask me, but what do you suppose we do know? Tell the Jews to up and get out?
hahahahhaha it was done in Korea, vietnam and kuwait. . . the same principle can be applied here. .. . but then the jews would scream. . ."ANTISEMITIC!" So cutting off all aid (welfare since all "loans" are forgiven) to Israel and maybe a strike on all their nuclear sites if they refuse to give their nukes ( after all the arabs shouldn't have nukes then the antichrists shouldn't either. . .. . and of course since we have been funneling weapons into Israel while at the same time forbidding the sale to Palestinans. . .. they should make sure they Palestians have a few more high tech weapons. . .
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Okay, I'm going to send a private message to the other Fundamentalist the next time he is online. I would sincerely advise you to go along with what he tells you, Shamgar.
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:18 AM
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hahahahhaha it was done in Korea, vietnam and kuwait. . . the same principle can be applied here. .. .
Are you referring to the Korean, Vietnam, and Iraqi Wars? It's not quite the same. first of all, the US supported giving Israel to the Jews. How is it gonna look if we suddenly decide to take it back. We didn't hand Vietnam and Korea over to the Communists, and we didn't give Iraq Kuwait either. Secondly, we were far from successful in removing the communists from korea or Vietnam, so how much success do you think we would have forcing the Jew out of Israel? Nope, we made our bed a half a century ago, now we have to lie in it.
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Would You Divide America With Russia. . . . If Not Then Why Would You Expect the Arabs TO Divide Palestine With The Jews?
Or divide their lands with anyone? (it need not have been Jews). This is one of those questions where the inherent inconsistency of the value systems so 'cherished' by many here become exposed. The values that they would feign to champion and protect as of a universal ethical code for social organisation (democracy, protection of individual liberties, personal property) - these they refuse to apply universally, to all humans! Strange fruit...some are more human than others...
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The Jews and the Arabs had equally good claims to what we now call Israel in the early 1900's. That was not the case after World War II, however. The facts that 1/3 of the world's Jews had been murdered by Hitler and that most of the rest were homeless and bereaved, combined with the fact that they could not possibly have felt safe in Europe, were more than enough to justify giving the land to them.
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The Jews and the Arabs had equally good claims to what we now call Israel in the early 1900's. That was not the case after World War II, however. The facts that 1/3 of the world's Jews had been murdered by Hitler and that most of the rest were homeless and bereaved, combined with the fact that they could not possibly have felt safe in Europe, were more than enough to justify giving the land to them.
...and many Jewish people had bought land in Palestine before 'their' state was subsequently imposed...but the niceties of treating humanely with the Jewish people after the holocaust, and after millenia of European christians' pogroms and persecutions....these niceties might be somewhat lost on you when you have been illegally dispossesed of your lands and banished from your nation to live for fifty years in a refugee camp..you, and your entire family....if we are to apply ethical standards they must be consistent and universal, or they are meaningless and a sham...prejudiced, in fact...
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The state of Israel needed to be created, but obviously, the way in which the transition to Israeli control was handled was very bad. Humanity will have progressed greatly when the sharing of land becomes more common than land wars.
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hahahahhaha it was done in Korea, vietnam and kuwait. . . the same principle can be applied here. .. .
Are you referring to the Korean, Vietnam, and Iraqi Wars? It's not quite the same. first of all, the US supported giving Israel to the Jews. How is it gonna look if we suddenly decide to take it back. We didn't hand Vietnam and Korea over to the Communists, and we didn't give Iraq Kuwait either.
Hahahahaha they were all wars in which the agressor claimed to have a land claims. . . .exactly what is going on here. . . .

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Secondly, we were far from successful in removing the communists from korea or Vietnam, so how much success do you think we would have forcing the Jew out of Israel? Nope, we made our bed a half a century ago, now we have to lie in it.
hahahahahah cut off all their aid is like cutting off their oxygen. . .the parasites depend on our aid and the "war reparations" from germany to survive. . .
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