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Old 01-05-2006, 03:29 PM
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:03 PM
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For the record, I don't hate Jews. Anti-Semitism as a hatred of Jewish people, in our culture, ostensibly comes from the fact that a Jewish religious sect encouraged the crucifixion of Jesus. That is not to say that atrocities were not committed against Jews before this time. As recorded in the Bible, the Ancient Egyptians enslaved the Jews and the Babylonian Empire drove countless Jews out of their homeland of Israel. The worst massacre of Jews prior to the Holocaust, in fact, was Hadrian's murder of 500,000 Jews to suppress a revolt against Roman rule.
Most anti-Semitic attitudes today come, at least in theory, from the crucifixion, however. The fact that Jesus, the Virgin Mary and the Apostles were all Jews has done little to temper this hatred. I wrote that this is the ostensible cause for anti-Semitism because I think that Jews, being "outsiders" in a predominantly Christian culture, were simply convenient targets for people who wanted to blame someone else for their problems. The various libels and stereotypes of Jews come from the Middle Ages. The blood libel, the myth that Jews use the blood of Christians in their ceremonies, was unofficially supported by some in the Roman Catholic Church through the late 1800's. The stereotype of Jews as "greedy bankers" comes from the fact that Jews were barred by law from owning land or doing much of anything except banking. When they were successful as bankers, they became victims of even worse persecution. They were exiled from nearly every country in Europe during the Middle Ages and Renaissance periods, and many thousands were killed by the Inquisition. The Reformation brought no improvements. Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Semite. Pogroms, or mob attacks on Jews, were common throughout this time and continued into the 1900's, especially in Eastern Europe.
With the increasing secularization of Europe in the 1800's, however, a new excuse was needed for anti-Semitism to continue, and it came in the pseudoscientific works of Joseph-Arthur Gobineau, who wrote Essay on the Inequality of Human Races (1853-1855), a work in which he claimed that the Aryan race was superior to all others and that intermarriage with other races lowered the quality of humanity. Richard Wagner strongly believed in this idea, as did his son-in-law, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, a British philosopher. The ideas of all three strongly influenced Adolf Hitler, and when he came to power in Germany in 1933, his ideas had been formed by this "scientific" form of racism that ignored religion entirely. With these twisted ideas, Hitler encouraged pogroms and then murdered 6 million Jews in the Holocaust. In America, anti-Semitism is still far too common. The average Jewish American is more likely to be a victim of a hate crime than the average African American. Well-known anti-Semitic Americans in recent times have included Henry Ford, J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon. The basic causes are paranoia from handed-down stereotypes and the fact that Jews, especially those who practice Judaism, are still a convenient target for those filled with hate.
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:02 PM
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1. They're a scapegoat.
2. They're ALWAYS in the minority.
3. They're different in almost every way.
4. They killed Christ.
5. They rule Israel, and not the arabs.
6. And finally, everyone is jealous. Jews have been extremely successful to every country that they have immigrated to. They have a tendency to rise to the top at rates unknown to other peoples.
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:04 PM
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This is a sensitive subject that should be handled with ... well sensitivity.

I don't hate jewish people either - in fact, I respect their courage and ingenuity in surviving and thriving in that difficult region !

One suggestion I have for anybody is to embrace equality - and not supremacy. That and the fact that they seem to exclude others from their group perhaps angers some people ( mostly younger people ).

What ever reason one might have for hating them, it's not a good reason, and we should embrace equality - just read the constitutions of our nations - the word "equality" will be found in it.
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Old 01-06-2006, 07:40 AM
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Luke says:
Hi Raven
Raven says:
Hey Luke
Raven says:
you're looking particularily handsome today
Luke says:
I'd marry your cat just to get into your family
Raven says:
*swoons*
Luke says:
*Does muscely thingy with arms*
Raven says:
you don't have to marry my cat...
Luke says:
Really? But he is so darn cute!
Raven says:
*stabs cat out of jealousy*
Raven says:
Now you have to marry me!
Luke says:
Nooooo! Spook!
Luke says:
(that is my cats name)
Raven says:
Stop thinking of Spook! Think of me!
Raven says:
*jumps into Luke's arms*
Raven says:
((man, this is weeeeird...))
Luke says:
Am I dead, Angel? Cause this must be heaven!
Raven says:
*has no idea how to reply positivly to that particular remark*
Luke says:
Did it hurt?
Raven says:
no...
Luke says:
When you fell out of heaven?
Raven says:
Oh you... *blushes*
Luke says:
Do you have a map? I just keep on getting lost in your eyes.
Luke says:
Excuse me, but I think I dropped something!!! MY JAW!!
Raven says:
*notices that his jaw has fallen onto the ground* Oh God, you need medical attention!
Luke says:
No, I need you.
Raven says:

Raven says:
*turns bright red*
Luke says:
*Picks up and carries off into the sunset*
Raven says:

Raven says:
**3 years later**
Luke says:
YOU WHORE! I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!
Raven says:
All I want is love
Luke says:
Well you cheated on me to get it!!
Raven says:
Only five times... today
Luke says:
You cut me deep raven...Real deep....
Raven says:
nooo, think of our children!
Luke says:
Have them! I don't want the brats!!
Raven says:
But they love you!
Raven says:
and so do I!
Luke says:
WELL I DONT LOVE THEM, AND THEY CA THAT YOU FOR THAT YOU-YOU-YOU *beep*!!!
Raven says:
(crying emote)
Luke says:
I sorry....
Raven says:
I don't mean to hurt you...
Luke says:
But you do!
Raven says:
I'll try to be a more faithful wife/girlfriend/whatever I am...
Luke says:
Rightio, back to the cheesey pick up lines hun.
Raven says:
(Smiley emote)
Raven says:
That's what I like about you most, your terrible terrible pick up lines
Luke says:
What's that in your eye? Must just be a twinkle.
Raven says:
*swoons*
Luke says:
You look like an angel. Welcome to Earth.
Raven says:
(Smiley emote)
Raven says:
*jumps on lap*
Luke says:
Where have you been all my life?
Raven says:
I don't know!
Luke says:
Was your father a thief? 'Cause someone stole the stars from the sky and put them in your eyes.
Raven says:
You know perfectly well that my father was framed!
Luke says:
Oh, don't worry hun you know I don't care
aven says:
(Smiley emote)
Luke says:
Hello. Cupid called. He says to tell you that he needs my heart back.
Raven says:
*collapses from over-swooning*
Luke says:
*Pick up dump children in an orphanage and goes into a sleesey motel*
Raven says:
(Shocked Emote)
Raven says:
*wakes up in sleazy motel*
Luke says:
*Is lying beside*
Raven says:
Eeeeeee!
Luke says:
what BABE!
Raven says:
Sorry, I'm just a little shocked, we haven't been to such a nice place since you first took me out
Raven says:
*watches roaches scuttle accross the floor*
Luke says:
I know, maybie next time I will take you to a dump!
Raven says:
(Smiley emote)
Raven says:
I've always wanted to go there
Luke says:
I know hun, thenn I can find us a hobo shack!
Raven says:
Are you sure that you can afford that on your salary? We have two children to look after as well...
Luke says:
I dumped them in an orphanage!
Raven says:
You did WHAT?
Luke says:
So we wouldn't have to pay for school, smart eh!
Raven says:
You're so thoughful sweetie
Luke says:
I know I am!
Raven says:
*hugs*
Luke says:
*Hugs back*
Raven says:
((has run out of dialogue...))
Luke says:
END!!
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Old 01-06-2006, 08:43 AM
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Oh see the problem is nonbelievers claim to understand the Scriptures. . . which of course is impossible. . .the jews who claim to be semites. . . were the ones Jesus said were the sons of the devil. . . and not "chosen". . . . so it would be foolish for a Christian to be "antisemitic" since it would mean you are against the people who were not the sons of the devil. . .so the proper term is anti-antichrist. . .and real Christians are anti-antichrist. . .and all you have to do is look over in Israel and you can see why people hate the jews. . .they preach against discrimantion and persecution of jews but practice discrimantion and pesecution of Arabs . . .and Christians. . .and anyone who is aginst Israeli policy.. .they are branded as antisemites. . .so many of you are antisemties also. . .hahahahahaha.......

Classical anti-Semitism of the type that targeted Jews simply for being Jewish, according to the Perlmutters, no longer posed a potent danger in the United States: “The Klansmen and the neo-Nazis are today no more than socially scrawny imitations of their once politically meaningful forebears, while uptown, the very fact of whispered anti-Semitism is testimony to its low estate.” A new type of anti-Semitism, however, had replaced it. This “real” anti-Semitism was defined by Perlmutters as any challenge inimical to Jewish interests. If not subjectively driven by animus towards Jews, it was nonetheless objectively harmful to them: “Essentially, this book's thesis is that today the interests of Jews are not so much threatened by their familiar nemesis, crude anti-Semitism, as by a-Semitic governmental policies, the proponents of which may be free of anti-Semitism and indeed may well – literally – count Jews among some of their best friends.” Practically, this meant pinning the epithet “anti-Semitism” on domestic challenges to Jewish class privilege and political power as well as as on global challenges to Israel hegemony. American Jewish elites were, in effect and in plain sight, cynically appropriating “anti-Semitism” - a historical phenomenon replete with suffering and martyrdom, on one hand, and hatred and genocide , on the other – as an ideological weapon to defend and facilitate ethnic aggrandizement. “Unchallenged and unchecked,” real anti-Semitism, the Perlmutters warned, “can loose once again classical anti-Semitism.” In fact the reverse comes closer to the truth: it is the mislabeling of legitimate challenges to Jewish privilege and power as anti-Semitism that breeds irrational resentment of Jews, more which later.(14)

Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. Norman G. Finkelstein. University of California Press. 2005. ISBN: 0-520-24598-9. Page 27.

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Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Ah... So that's your issue? Jealousy. You're just cranky because God didn't give you a mouth for wisdom that shuts people up. Instead He gave you a mouth for stupidity that causes people to make fun of you. So sad.
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Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Ah... So that's your issue? Jealousy.
See proof positive the nobnbeliever can't undestand Christ's reasoning for calling some jews the sons of the devil.. . . .thanks for helping me prove my point. . .again. . .

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