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Old 02-08-2010, 12:11 PM
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No, it's a problem with the system. Let's say, hypothetically, that 60% of Americans are conservative leaning, and the other 40% are liberal leaning. Now, sometime down the road, the conservatives break apart a little and form two parties, the Republican Party and the Tea Party. These two aren't so different, and there are certainly more similar to each other than the democrats. But, when it comes to election day, 30% of people vote Republican. 30% vote Tea Party. And 40% vote Democrat. This would mean, putting geographical barriers aside, the democrats would win a huge majority of the elections, even though only a minority subscribes to their ideology. It's because of a scenario like this that people won't vote for the Tea Party, and they'll stick voting Republican in fear of a Democrat winning. The system we have right now promotes 2 parties.
The "Republicans" and "The Tea Party" should obviously form a coalition government.

Denmark is currently ruled by a coalition between the Liberal Party, the Conservative Party and the Danish Peoples Party. The Social Democrats, the Socialist People's Party and some others form the opposition.

The Liberals have the prime minister post and most of the other ministers, the Conservatives have some ministers and the Danish People Party have no ministers. The Danish People Party is too far right to seriously consider joining up with the socialists, so the support the others....most of the time.

Every government in Denmark have been some kind of coalition, at least as far as I know.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:39 PM
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We have the best Government in the world, we either use it or not. It's our choice.
Whether or not we have the best Government in the world is irrelevant to this discussion. Just because it's better than the alternatives (hypothetically) doesn't mean we should stop trying to make it better.

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Switching to the Sainte-Lague method for electing our congressmen would be a huge, albeit radical, change that I'd like to see implemented. At least in the House of Representatives, while the Senate could remain with more or less the current format. Using this method, smaller parties would get some official say in our government. As it is right now, people are scared to vote for a third party in fears of "wasting" their votes on someone that won't win. This is how the Democrats and Republicans can have such total control. With the Sainte Lague method, smaller minority parties would be able to thrive (at least to some extent) and the two party monopoly would be broken.
I think you might have hit the nail on the head albeit inadvertently. I definitely think that we need at least 3 parties, but I think it might be a good idea to designate separate parties for the House of Representatives and the Senate. And even the President, though I cannot foresee an easy way from keeping them from becoming carbon copies of their counterparts.

The major problem, specifically, is that it is easier for politicians to put down their single opponent than build themselves up. They simply say why the other guys' plan won't work than say why theirs is better.

Here's another radical idea: what if we imposed a limit of 49% for any single party? Then remaining seats are divided amongst remaining parties. Or we can award seats in excess of 49% to the party who received the fewest votes. That would certainly make elections more interesting.
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I think you might have hit the nail on the head albeit inadvertently. I definitely think that we need at least 3 parties,
Why keep to to three? I'm sure there are enough diverse viewpoints in the US to allow more. And why not let the people determine how many parties there are rather than impose a certain number?

Independents seem lost for representation at the moment. And there are a lot of them with no doubt disparate views that are not able to be voiced.

Of course, there have to be limits on the number of parties or you get the paralysis seen in the past in some European governments. We do it primarily by requiring a minimum of 5% of the electorate vote before a party can be represented in our parliament.

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It is still a PEOPLE problem. Although a third party has the desirable attributes, people vote for a lesser of two evils, because they believe that the one they voted for will win.

A VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS IS A VOTE FOR EVIL

I have heard it said so many times: "I would rather vote for -------- because he has the attributes that I would like to see in that office. But I didn't vote for him because I didn't think he could win."

Now, how dumb is that?


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I don't think there is anyone here that will say that our political system right now is perfect. There is a lot of talk about fixing healthcare and the economy etc. but nobody talks about how we are gonna break the cycle of perpetual campaigns, corruption etc. I don't think this is a partisan issue since both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of this.

I think a good start would be to implement term limits for Congressmen. This way politicians would start to be less self-serving and actually do what's best for their constituents instead of being concerned about their own re-election.

What do you guys think?
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What people don't seem to realize is Washington doesn't want to be fixed. The Patriot and Military Commissions Act will take care of those who do. Just accept what you have and enjoy while you still do.
This is exactly why it will be difficult to change anything. The politicians have changed campaign laws to the point where the incumbent has an incredible advantage, and the opposition has to have the expertise and support of the opposing party to even get past the bureaucratic red tape surrounding running for an office.

Campaign legislation reform is the first step towards fixing DC.

Also, we do not have two parties, just two branches of one party. I like a few posts that I have seen dealing with this delimma, especially the ability to avoid the wasted vote mentality.
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