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Old 02-09-2010, 05:28 AM
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:37 AM
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Much appreciated post, thank you.

Doesn't make good films or telly though....and I'm beginning to think that large swathes of posters on here predicate their opinions on the likes of US made war films, which mostly have as much reference to reality as I have to the current US female pop idol.

I get the impression that US citizens are not taught quite the same history as we are in Europe and the Commonwealth...and many internet sites on US history don't help for those who want facts and not interpretation...because in many of them, the almost aside references to "the allies" before launching into the next US success does rather serve to reduce the allies contribution to nothing worth mentioning.

Kudos for those, like yourself, who are interested enough to get facts and acknowledge that the USA needed us as much as we needed them, just as they need us today in wars which are not of our making...........and the rest of you.......you will get, in return to posts illustrating ignorance, the response you deserve by posters from countries who lost large chunks of their populations while the US dickered about lend-lease and waited to be attacked themselves before giving a toss.
Sadly I'd agree with that assessment. I don't think most public schools do a good job here of really teaching, in depth, the Second World War. There may be factors of time and resource to factor into an explanation for that but they don't. If a student seeks more understanding he/she will probably get it at the college level.

The only thing in your post I would quibble with is "dickered." While I agree that the U.S. "dickered" for reasons of isolationist feelings, misinformation etc. I put it to you that a whole lot of countries "dickered" about Hitler and Japan before it was too late. Did Britain and France object to the remilitarization of the Rhineland? Did they attempt to block the Anschluss? Czechoslovakia, Poland...why did French troops mount an offensive into Germany in the fall of 1939 only to retreat after penetrating German defenses and encountering little if any resistance? Did anyone attempt to seriously impede Japan in China in the 1930's? Fact is there was a whole hell of a lot of dickering in that period and not all of it was American. But that's a minor quibble as I do have to concede we probably should have entered the war sooner.
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Europeans,

Have a higher culture,
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A higher culture?

Pffffffffft.

Don't make me laugh.

Drunks rioting over a soccer game = Europe.

Get over yourselves.

Some of the laziest service workers I've ever seen...

Takes 30 minutes to get a glass of water, and God forbid you ask for ice in it....

Most of the Euros whining in here have probably never even been to America.

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Old 02-09-2010, 06:31 AM
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Whilst I agree about Britian being over run ,as they were not prepared for war,and all of The Bulldog's huffing and bluffing would have melted like the spring snow.
However it was Russia who were the big turning point of the war in Europe,coupled with Hitler's stubbornness in not listening to his Generals about opening the Eastern front
I know. Hitlers Biggest mistake was invading the USSR.
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With respect Red, that is verging upon hair-splitting. I would have no problem with an American referring to Sydney harbor or Portsmouth harbor. That is an accepted spelling in the USA, just as 'harbour' is an accepted spelling in the UK and Commonwealth. In both cases, there is little doubt as to what place is being referred to.
Aye, but "Sydney" and "Portsmouth" are places with harbours; "Pearl" is not a place with a harbour. "Pearl Harbor" is a place with a harbour.

Having said which, why did "everything change" on the ninth of November 2001? What's that all about?
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The Americans flying during the actual Battle of Britain had all posed as Canadians or British (or Irish, I suppose, I haven't checked each individual cover story) although nobody in either Britain or America was working very hard to expose this sort of deception. There were many hundreds of Americans in the Royal Canadian Air Force by Pearl Harbor, there must already have been many dozens in the summer of 1940. Those who weren't actively shooting down German bombers over Kent that summer were still surely freeing some other pilot to do so.

From the following year, the R.A.F. organized three "Eagle" squadrons of American volunteers serving openly as such (in Spitfires, as you say). They were too late for the Battle of Britain, but it's not as though they missed the whole war - it was still on, and we were still "standing alone".
I think most folks outside Britain don't realize just how prepared she was. My point to those who like to bash America is that we were also helping the British through back channels. Americans put their lives on the line even though we were not officially at war. We were, and are allies. Why so much hate?
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Why so much hate?
Because the minority of Americans spoil it for the majority by claiming that the US won the war all by it self.
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WOw... you sound really tough. Americans are really tough.
I don't know about all Americans but this one is tough enough. I've had my share of fights. Won some, lost some but never ran from a single one.
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Because the minority of Americans spoil it for the majority by claiming that the US won the war all by it self.
I would put the US's role at about 10% of the total 6 year war effort.

USSR at about 60%

UK about 10%.

etc etc.

The US was very concerned about a single power Europe. It still is..as you can see by its attempts to disrupt a united Europe today when it comes to European Foreign policy and defence....and its desperate attempt to retain NATO ..post cold war.
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I don't know about all Americans but this one is tough enough. I've had my share of fights. Won some, lost some but never ran from a single one.
Fascinating. I have never had a fight.

I think that says it all honey.
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