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Hello? Republicans were never invited to the write the health care bill parties. It was all house democrats and Senate Democrats who held occasional meetings at the White House that republicans were not invited to. Don't even try and say republicans had anything to do with this health care bill, they haven't.
Was that because they said "no" and "no" and "no"?

But Obama's mistake was giving them the opportunity to say no.

Why do you bother with a bunch of neocons who lost the election?

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Charlie Gregory wrote an article I completly agree with.......Ray

GREGORY: Reader says give Obama a chance

By CHARLIE GREGORY
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For the past few weeks, the Republicans on the Hill have been wallowing in their giddiness over the lowering of the poll numbers of Obama’s presidency. It is obvious that the only way they will be satisfied is if he becomes an abject failure, even if it means taking the country down with him.

Even Richard Cheney is showing his face and mouth, again, as if he thought he still had some credence among civilized society, who have observed his actions for eight years. He credits himself with keeping us safe, but from my perspective, he and George Bush were the greatest recruiting tools that al-Qaida and the Taliban could ever hope for, due to their condescending attitude toward the rest of the world.

Now, Obama has been criticized for blaming Bush for everything that’s gone wrong, but let’s face it — there has never been a presidential turnover in history that paralleled the 2008 election, unless it was Harry S. Truman’s takeover after the sudden death of F.D.R. in the thick of the greatest war in modern history.

It was in those times that most presidents did not confide in their vice presidents. Truman was kept in the dark on so many issues that he didn’t even know that we were developing the atom bomb. He said upon F.D.R.’s death, “I feel as though the weight of the sun, moon and stars have fallen upon my shoulders.”

Obama came in facing two wars, a financial meltdown, unimaginable debt, and the task of repairing relationships with longtime allies. He came in with staggering unemployment figures, banks and businesses failing by the thousands. And if he and his advisors had not taken the steps to shore up the banking business industries, the unemployment figures would be 35 or 40 percent, instead of 10 percent. And the Republicans just love it — that it’s on Obama’s watch that we are facing a financial malaise that no one knows exactly how to pull out of. And they have such short memories that they don’t remember whose watch this economic tailspin started on.

I am sorry if I sound so bitter, but we have a young president who has been working his tail off, trying to do so much for so many, all the while being rhetorically savaged, which is what they do best, by a well-orchestrated group of hate mongers, such as Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele and the like. And then there is the leader of the Republican Party, Mitch McConnell, the abusive obstructionist, who along with his wife, Elaine Chao, the former labor secretary, have been feeding from the public trough for years. And if Mitch McConnell has ever done anything positive for anyone, please let me know.

We have been engaged in this health care debate, and the right wing has been fighting tooth-and-nail against it. They are saying that 85 percent of the public are against it, which could only mean that 85 percent of the people have adequate health insurance, so don’t tamper with mine, and “be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed with all these poor slobs. They wouldn’t work if someone gave them a job anyway.”

Remember, all men may be created equal, but all men are not created with equal opportunities. So be thankful that you either have good parentage or good mentorship and have no physical or mental disabilities and are endowed with decent looks. Of course, many people succeed despite the lack of these attributes, but it isn’t easy.

I am aware the one shoe doesn’t fit all, but it seems to be a Republican tradition to have less feelings for their fellow man. Remember, after Lincoln freed the slaves, the South went Democratic because Lincoln was of the Republican Party.

Then, when President Johnson signed the voting rights, the South went back to Republican. When F.D.R. pushed Social Security through, the Republicans were against it because they don’t believe in government involvement. But I don’t know of anyone paying their Social Security checks back to the government. And they are frightened to death that the government is going to take one of their nickels and give it to some silly government program that provides for the less fortunate. And they call themselves the party of values — huh?

I have always maintained a smattering of respect for John McCain and I could almost forgive him for choosing Sarah Palin in his desperation for a running mate, but having made the ridiculous accusation that Harry Reid’s statement about Obama’s “light skin” and Caucasian accent was comparable to Trent Lott’s tribute to Strom Thurmond’s — it went a little over the top.

He’s beginning to sound like Mitch McConnell or Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican Party. Reid merely stated some obvious facts. Now, if we could talk Mitch McConnell into giving us another (contract with America) like Newt Gingrich did, maybe we could talk Tom DeLay into redistricting the United States like he did for Texas. He’s a typical right-winger that should be under the jail.

In all this, I’m not saying that Obama is without fault. I don’t agree with his flying to Copenhagen while lobbying for the Olympics. And I feel that he is somewhat cavalier toward some issues at times that should be given more attention. Having said that, I feel that his overall performance has been a breath of fresh air after the eight years prior to the election.

Like I said before, one size doesn’t fit all, so I hope I haven’t alienated or offended many of my Republican friends. But being the liberal that I am, you know that I can be very forgiving. Maybe, you all can learn to do the same as well.

Now, moving to local issues — to Mr. Harry Harper, regarding your “Jeers” comment a few days ago, I agree with you that Kelly Curran, if not related, must be in close collaboration with Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I don’t know Kelly personally, but someone pointed her out to me at Baron Hill’s Town Hall meeting at Indiana University Southeast, which in one of her recent columns she referred to Baron Hill as performing shamelessly while failing to mention the rednecks trying to shout down the speakers, who were mostly pro-health care reform. He acted with dignity, while mildly chastising an unruly group that was probably bussed in for the express purpose of harassment.

— Charlie Gregory is a Charlestown resident.


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Was that because they said "no" and "no" and "no"?

But Obama's mistake was giving them the opportunity to say no.

Why do you bother with a bunch of neocons who lost the election?

An unfathomable mystery.
They didn't say no. The door got slammed in their faces.
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So far not a single good argument from right wingers. Still waiting.

Saying that Obama is a snob, or that he doesnt work with republicans just doesnt cut it.
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This sounds like a very long hate list:

I think the truth is that conservatives dont like his skin color or his white voice?

Relax and wait your turn.
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This sounds like a very long hate list:

I think the truth is that conservatives dont like his skin color or his white voice?

Relax and wait your turn.
Oh, let's play the race card, eh?

Why don't you just say, "Please don't criticise my president, HE'S BLACK!"
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Hello? Republicans were never invited to the write the health care bill parties. It was all house democrats and Senate Democrats who held occasional meetings at the White House that republicans were not invited to. Don't even try and say republicans had anything to do with this health care bill, they haven't.
Here's some history for you. Republicans had both Senate, House from 1995-2009, and did nothing. From 2001-2007 you had the trifecta and it never came up. Suddenly they've changed their minds and want to help? Last I heard was scrap it and start over.
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No one denies that the democrats having control of Congress forces the issues they want to address to the top of the stack. Arguablly that is the one good thing about all of this and an issue the democrats deserve to have as a major point on the campaign trail that at least they worked to address the issue. We do need to reform specificlly in how to get the government out of the way in the process. However it is more important to get the right reform than to get any reform at all.
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An alarming new study shows that health care costs increased last year at the fastest rate in more than a half century.............

Health care spending rose to an estimated $2.5 trillion in 2009, or $8,047 per person—and is now projected to nearly double by 2019. If we don't act, this growing burden will mean more lost jobs, more families pushed into bankruptcy, and more crushing debt for our nation.................

The conclusion is clear: This isn't a problem we can kick down the road for another decade—or even another year. We need to pass health reform now..............

Don't be naive.........Pass this on......

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Can you provide any credible backing for this theory?

I keep hearing this same argument but so far i havent seen a single credible economist or a single country advocate anything like this. ALL developed countries have some kind of a stimulus plan going on and all credible economists advocate those policies. Im gonna need some very strong evidence to convince myself that they are all wrong.

So right now its your word against all world leaders and the best economists. For some dumb redneck in texas that might be enough but those of us who arent absolutely convinced that everyone with a college degree is in some kind of a liberal conspiracy to take over the world need evidence. And so far i havent seen any.
I note all the key words are there for a good strawman.."credible economist" (defined by the reader, of course)..and "all the words leaders"...

What we have is a theory, leaving the mess alone to sort itself out, which was not tried, and we have what was, which produced a real mess but kept a lot of government hacks and politicians employed.
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