Abortion is the one thing i'm unsure about. I don't want the fetus to die but then i don't want to ruin the mother's life either....

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Death > Ruination.

Problem solved.

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And THAT'S why i'm still pro-choice. Stupid arguments made arrogantly. It's not as simple as that.

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There is no data. Before abortion was legal, abortions still took place, but for obvious reasons, illegal abortions are not reported. No one reports the illegal actions that they have done.

There will not be hundreds of thousands of deaths, but there still will be deaths.

OK then, 'murder' is not the correct term. Killing is. Besides, this debate is pointless.

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...I do not advocate abortion on demand, but neither do I advocate banning abortion outright. I believe that all other options should be made available and women should receive help and support and abortion should be made the last option, but that ultimately, women should be allowed to make their own choice. However, after a certain point (as is the situation in GB) abortion should not be an option.

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Actually, yeah, it is as simple as that. Life and death trumps inconvenience.

Not that I expected you to understand. If I remember correctly, you're the one who championed legalizing pedophelia on here a while back...

So how did you come to the conclusion that banning abortions will not lower the number of deaths?

A significant reduction is desirable, even if it cannot be reduced to zero.

Incidentally, that is probably the same reason we make rape is illegal.

Your words say "no no" but the fact that you keep responding screams "yes yes".

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I have already explained that.

Rape and abortion are not comparable.

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I'm about to post something somewhat disturbing, so if you're easily disturbed, don't read on.

I had a girlfriend who told me about this, and she heard it straight from her grandmother. Based on her grandmothers age, I'm guessing this happened in the 20's. They were German imigrants, so I'm not sure if it happened here or there. But anyway. Her grandmother told here that she had these f-ed up memories of her mother having a baby. The family couldn't afford another child, so she pitched the newborn into a pot of boiling water to kill it. Normally, I would be extremely skeptical of a story like this. But given my experience with the kind of mental illness that ran in that family, I can believe it. But then again, it might just be a crock.

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Inconvenience? Getting pregnant can mean being dumbed, abandoned, getting thrown out of your home, suffering abuse etc.. Having the baby can mean you you have to leave school, it can lead to poverty because of the cost of baby etc.

It can and does screw up women's lives. You might try to realize this.

As for legalizing pedophilia (not that it has anything to do with abortion), i still support it, and support allot of polices you'd consider equally questionable if not worse. I'd abolish the prison system for example (yes that means letting killers walk the streets)...

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Did I stutter?

Yes. Inconvenience.

Even under the worst case scenerio, the mother will eventually recover her life back. It may take years, but it will happen. By contrast, the child's life is simply gone. Death is as bad as bad gets.

The reality is that the vast majority of abortions do NOT lead to the things you just described. The vast majority of abortions are used as a form of birth control.

Yeah, because it's the mother that matter's right? To hell with the baby...it isnt a person anyway. Right?

Like I said, considering that you dont have a problem with children being raped, it doesnt surprise me that you also dont have a problem with them being murdered either.

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