You know Sadist i always though you were just a bastard. A cunning evil little bastard. But then you make this statement:

It made me realize that your aren't actually that bad Sadist, you just have no idea of the world outside your little bubble of ignorance. I can cite two relationships of people i've met that hate their partner but force themselves stick in the (abusive in one case) relationship for the baby. Some mothers commit suicide from depression. Some get their baby ripped away from them by the social because they can't provide it, something would tear your life in two. I could go on and on but quite clearly Sadist you won't believe me, because everyone will be just fine in a few years .

If you want a thread about the prison system or pedophillia, start one, but this is a abortion thread.

__________________
What's this i hear bed? Word has it you and Pam are sleeping together.

If you say so. I have never seen an example of a mother who has born a child and never recovered her life back. Especially if she gave it up for adoption and was no longer responsible it.

So the alternative is to kill the child?

Cry me a river. The mother at least has the possibility of getting her life back and not committing suicide. The child has no choice at all. It amazes me that liberals have no problem feeling sorry for the mother, but completely lack any compassion at all for the child.

The mother DOES have options. Adoption is an obvious one. There is no shortgage of people in America waiting to adopt infants.

Uh....so it is better to kill it than have it "ripped away" from them? Huh?

No, I dont believe you due to the complete lack of evidence supporting whatever it is you're trying to claim.

__________________
My Political Blog (Most recent update Oct 3rd) - Which Flame Warrior are you?

Contraception is far preferable to abortion, IMHO. And there already is something that prevents an embryo from implanting.....or at least there was. I'm not sure if it's still being used. It was called the IUD.

__________________
"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

It's perfectly true alot of mothers get their lives back when the've have a baby in difficult circumstances. It's also true alot haven't. I just personally think it's not fair to force a mother to rip her life apart for a kid.

As far as adoption goes, it doesn't solve everything. A mother's can be be discriminated against just for being pregnant, or she can be abandoned, or kicked out. As far as the actual adoption goes it can cause problems for instance if she's young she can have the social snooping around later, the farther also tends to get larger say after the baby is born and through whatever means (intimidation etc.) can force the mother to keep it. There's also meant to be a sense of motherhood just after the baby is born that would make you not want to give your baby away.

__________________
What's this i hear bed? Word has it you and Pam are sleeping together.

How many aborted children have gotten their lives back? I am willing to bet the ratio is much lower.

But you do think it's fair to kill the kid to spare the mother problems in her life? Welcome to European compassion.

The child lives. The mother is free. Everyone wins.

So lets just kill the child...thats the final solution huh?

But that would not get in the way of killing it apparently.

__________________
My Political Blog (Most recent update Oct 3rd) - Which Flame Warrior are you?

Jesus shut up about Europe.

The simple point is that mothers lives can be ruined by not having a abortion. A babies life is ended by one but in my mind it's just not fair to force a child on a mother who's life will be torn apart by it.

Oh and why i'm her it's things like this which is why your quoting pisses me of so much:

You just ignore what i followed it up with to make this reply. You just try to get in quick shot to do what? Are you trying to be funny? Clever? you just sound like a prick.

__________________
What's this i hear bed? Word has it you and Pam are sleeping together.

Why can't they just set restrictions on abortion? I dont believe abortion is right or wrong. For example, If a young girl is raped and made pregnant, she has a right to abortion. But if it is a teanager, who made a bad choice, they should not have that right.

No, the simple point is that the child's life is ruined worse.

Would it be more fair if the mother was killed instead?

When did I ever deny being a prick? I have said many times that I am deliberately abraisive (and have explained in detail why). Why is this surprising you now? Havnt you been paying attention?

No matter what the mother suffers, the child suffers worse. The difference being that at least the mother has some control over her situation and can eventually recover. The Child never recovers from death.

One situation is bad. But the other is worse.

It is a war of attrition, so I will support as many restrictions as I can. But the eventual goal is outlawing it completely.

__________________
My Political Blog (Most recent update Oct 3rd) - Which Flame Warrior are you?

Ok so the point now is mother life bad (without abortion(and no sometimes a mother's life can't recover)), babies life worse (with abortion). Basically i don't think it's fair to force a mother to have a bad life so the baby can have a better one.

It comes down a question of ethics. The question is something like do you kill one unwilling person to save two?

__________________
What's this i hear bed? Word has it you and Pam are sleeping together.

"Better one" implies the baby has a life at all.

I agree. The answer is no.

(1 life + 1 death) < (1 life + 1 life)

The equation is not hard to understand.

__________________
My Political Blog (Most recent update Oct 3rd) - Which Flame Warrior are you?