Who is forcing her to commit suicide?

Of course she has a choice. She can go on with her life like everyone else. No one is forcing her to commit suicide.

You imply she has no choice. Suicide is a choice. By definition, it can only happen if she allows it to happen.

The child has no choice. It's life is stripped away from it either way.

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If I kill a pregnant woman it gets tried as a double murder but that woman can have her own child killed and it is ok. So one way the baby is living human and the other it is a lump of cells....hmmm does this make sense to anyone?

The official time of death is when there no brain activity or heart beat, a fetus has both so I guess it is a living human...

The inconveniences of giving birth to a living child is a greater concern than the death of that child in the womb.

"the right to choose".....the life or death of my child

"the right for life"....for I am a human being

6000 plus infants are aborted every day in this country...I guess we saving alot of women, from what I do not know. Hey look at it this way we are saving 6000 suicides per day. Maybe by saying that it gets rid of that queasy feeling that we are so wrong.

Black genocide is going on by their own hands. With every five black women pregnant three abort the baby. Blacks make up 12% of the population and are 14 million less than what they could be since abortion was made legal.

Just who is it we trying to save here I get confuse...

Since the human cell can only become a human in the way a sun flower seed can only be a sun flower, I find it ridiculous to say there is a point in the process where the seed is not human. The human body is in a process of evolution even at death why would we feel capable of declaring it NOT human at conception? Any social reasoning for abortion is exactly that, reasoning, no woman is ever required to care for the child upon it's birth. She is fully allowed to sign away her parental responsibility. Why is the burden of viability placed on the child?

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About 200 women died each year to illegal abortions when they were illegal.

95% of illegal abortion were actually done by real doctor.


Suicide rate associated per 100,000 with:

Birth .............. 5.9

Miscarriage......... 18.1

Induced abortion.... 34.7


Everyone that spouts how many women will die if abortions were illegal just do not take time to look at the data that after 30 years of collecting proves that "back ally" abortions and suicide rates really do not add up to prove legal abortions are better for the mother than to just taking the child to term even with illegal abortions added in.

I wonder if the term "back ally" was coined just to put that right image in our heads...I guess to say in the back of a doctor office doesn't get the same effect.

what is the # of women on average who die from legal abortions? do you know?

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You know, I wish the issue of abortion would go away. I am a man who tends to be radically pro-feminist, but this issue is an exception. I think of the pain women go through in childbirth and I want badly to be pro-choice. I just can't be. I can't state that it is okay to kill anyone in cold blood. I oppose the death penalty as well, but I could bend my mind to see capital punishment as justice. If a man deserts a pregnant woman in poverty, maybe he should be killed. I'm not sure about that. I am sure that I can't support destroying an innocent life no matter how much agony that life unintentionally causes.

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In the United States, 1 woman in 100,000 dies from complications after legal abortions...

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1091

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Again I ask, in response to your final sentence. Why is the burden of viability placed upon the child. We are vibrant intelligent thinking adults, yet in this one issue we destroy the most innocent among us. I'm attempting to challenge you, but your final sentence gave me pause.

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Well, what that post, including the final sentence, was basically stating is that I am reluctantly pro-life.

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With that one post of 1 in 100,000 that would make around 16 per year.

200 for illegal abortions would be drastically reduced today since we are talking 1930s to 1970s here for the 200 per year number.

With about 35 per 100k killing themselves after an abortion that kind of off sets everything while adding in the 200 deaths per year would be reduced since there is just better medical treatment today whether it is done legal or illegally.

As of today with 1.6 million abortions I'm not too sure how many would be done if it was illegal, but it would be a much lower number so the today's 560 plus deaths per year from after abortion suicides would be drastically reduces too.


It is hard in the end to justify the health of the mother as the reason to keep abortion legal.

That is why I always looked at abortions as a thing of convenience only, and killing 1.6 million per year for convenience is dead wrong in my books. To hold someone accountable for their actions whether it is the mom or dad is something we tend over look time and time again.

The moms and dads are morally screwed and the system is morally screwed. This is without bringing any religion into it.