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Old 02-18-2006, 01:17 PM
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I, quite honestly cannot think of a more profoundly ridiculous statement. To determine the viability of a human life based upon it's brain function is ludacris. At the fertilization of the egg in the mothers womb, that egg is as high functioning as any human on the planet. It is doing exactly what it's DNA is telling it to do, why does it suddenly become viable at the moment it develops nerve endings? Are we less beholding to it's safety because we can't hear it scream? Lost in all the science and the moral pontificating is the FACT the mother is never required to have the sexual act. If she so chooses, she again as I said is never required to provide care for the child, beyond the 9 month gestation period. This is life at it's very essence, we are simply discarding for convience.
Sperm do what their DNA is telling them to do. Millions of sperm are produced by sex and masturbation, and all 'die'. Do you consider that murder?
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I, quite honestly cannot think of a more profoundly ridiculous statement. To determine the viability of a human life based upon it's brain function is ludacris. At the fertilization of the egg in the mothers womb, that egg is as high functioning as any human on the planet. It is doing exactly what it's DNA is telling it to do, why does it suddenly become viable at the moment it develops nerve endings? Are we less beholding to it's safety because we can't hear it scream? Lost in all the science and the moral pontificating is the FACT the mother is never required to have the sexual act. If she so chooses, she again as I said is never required to provide care for the child, beyond the 9 month gestation period. This is life at it's very essence, we are simply discarding for convience.
Sperm do what their DNA is telling them to do. Millions of sperm are produced by sex and masturbation, and all 'die'. Do you consider that murder?
Juvenile attempt on your part at best. A sperm cell has completed it's life mission upon exit from the male. A sperm cell and the female egg the instant they are joined are transformed and begin the genetic process we call a human. Since it has a specific begining and if left in the safety of it's enviornment, will continue on it's path for some 80+ yrs, how do we sit back and make an arbitrary designation of it's "life begins" date. To compare the human embrio to the sperm cell demonstrates a lack distinctive understanding.

Go ask a farmer when does corn become corn? Or wheat become wheat. They would look at you as if you were a moron. Corn and wheat are what they are. Theres no day it isn't corn or wheat, such a thought is pure foolishness.
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I am sorry if this idea of mine shocks anyone. I am trying to come up with a solution that would stop the cruel womanizing that leads to abortion. Would castrating men who desert pregnant women effectively end abortion (by a deterrent effect)? In conscience, I can't support the death penalty, so that is the strongest deterrent I can support.
You are not a lesbian are you? saying "cruel womanizing" kind of leads me to ask my question. This is a two way street. Women want sex and men want sex happens every day and on both sides they love it and that is why they do not think about the consequences.

I would go with your castrating the men idea if you also agree with sterilizing a women after an abortion, so it doesn't happen again.

Who is more evil dead beat men or momen that choose abortion? Hard to tell except on the dead bet man side things can be corrected where on the abortion side it can't.
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Sadist you are forcing a mother to have a baby, therfore you could be forcing a mother into depression, therefore your driving a mother to suicide. It isn't a choice to want to end your life.
Did you not see my numbers? More women get depressed and kill themselves over their abortions than ones that go full term.

It is just not convenient to go full term. I know 5 women that have had abortions and all five used it as a form of birth control "because they are just not ready yet for kids" kind of sick in the head I say. No depression here just an easy way out until afterwords they realize what they just did...

There are 1000s of people everyday that find themselves in a hell of a lot worst situation than being pregnant and it is funny how they continue on with life.

In California when I lived there abortions were free for the state saw that it was cheaper to pay the abortion cost than to feed a kid.

We have lost all morals in this area and we need to get them back for it will only get worst.
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Juvenile attempt on your part at best.
It is no fault of mine that you did not explain your position clearly.

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A sperm cell has completed it's life mission upon exit from the male. A sperm cell and the female egg the instant they are joined are transformed and begin the genetic process we call a human. Since it has a specific begining and if left in the safety of it's enviornment, will continue on it's path for some 80+ yrs, how do we sit back and make an arbitrary designation of it's "life begins" date.
The important point here is that it is begining the process, it has not completed it. Please tell me, is an embryo different from, say, a skin cell in your hand?

BTW, are you in favour of stem cell research?
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A woman can make her own decisions on what she thinks will depress her or not, regardless of how it actually works out.

Where did you get your figures anyway? How did they interview the dead to find out?
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I am sorry if this idea of mine shocks anyone. I am trying to come up with a solution that would stop the cruel womanizing that leads to abortion. Would castrating men who desert pregnant women effectively end abortion (by a deterrent effect)? In conscience, I can't support the death penalty, so that is the strongest deterrent I can support.
You are not a lesbian are you? saying "cruel womanizing" kind of leads me to ask my question.
First of all, lesbians are no more likely to hate men than heterosexual women. Second, I am a heterosexual male.
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Juvenile attempt on your part at best.
It is no fault of mine that you did not explain your position clearly.

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A sperm cell has completed it's life mission upon exit from the male. A sperm cell and the female egg the instant they are joined are transformed and begin the genetic process we call a human. Since it has a specific begining and if left in the safety of it's enviornment, will continue on it's path for some 80+ yrs, how do we sit back and make an arbitrary designation of it's "life begins" date.
The important point here is that it is begining the process, it has not completed it. Please tell me, is an embryo different from, say, a skin cell in your hand?

BTW, are you in favour of stem cell research?
Again you aren't being intellectualy honest with yourself. Can you tell me the date YOU, as a human, stopped the process of being a human? The day you die, is the day you stop the evolutionary process we call humanity. From the moment the sperm unites with the egg, the human is evolving for the next 80+ yrs. When does life begin? Of course at the begining. What day is that you ask? Why, on the first day of life of course. It is discouraging to think, that the only reason people don't come to this conclusion is by choice. If you are honest with yourself, you have to admit that life begins at the moment of conception, any other begining subjects you to another persons idea of viability, for the remainder of your life.

As far as stemcell research....I don't know enough about it to have an opinion.
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If you are honest with yourself, you have to admit that life begins at the moment of conception
No, the possibility of life begins at conception.

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As far as stemcell research....I don't know enough about it to have an opinion.
That is fine, I just wished to see if you were logically consistant.
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If you are honest with yourself, you have to admit that life begins at the moment of conception
No, the possibility of life begins at conception.
Can you define life for me? Here is what Webster's has to say:



1 a : the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings -- compare VITALISM 1 c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction
2 a : the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make up the existence of an individual b : one or more aspects of the process of living


Are you up for dismissing that?
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