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Old 02-21-2006, 10:25 AM
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This is the very essence of the entire argument. Who gets to decide the day they are suddenly "worthy" to be people?
It is subjective. Brain activity is a reasonable starting point IMO. Because it is impossible to be a person without it.

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Me: To most people, squashing a zygote is not the same thing as killing a newborn baby. The baby obviously has more value to most people. Even people that oppose abortion.

On this point you are wildly mistaken.

Los Angeles Times Poll:
This was taken on 2005-JAN-14 to 18. They asked 1,118 randomly selected American adults the question: "Which comes closest to your view on abortion: abortion should always be legal, or should be legal most of the time, or should be made illegal except in cases of rape, incest and to save the mother's life, or abortion should be made illegal without any exceptions?"

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41% favored making abortion illegal with a few exceptions.
24% favored making abortion always legal
19% favored making abortion legal most of the time.
12% favored making abortion totally illegal.

Margin of error ±3% percentage points. It is notable that 12% of American adults would totally prohibit all abortions, including those needed to save the life of the mother.


To reiterate Only 24% of the US population hold your point of view. 53% favor making it illegal either completely of with few exceptions.
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uh...how am I mistaken? The poll supports my position. Only 12% supported outlawing ALL abortion (including zygotes).

88% said that zygotes can be terminated, but MOST of that 88% still said that abortion should be illegal in most cases.
Wow your confusion reigns supreme. Read it again. A Clear 53% favor out lawing abortion. 41% favor outlawing abortion with a few exceptions. These are the people who see incest and rape abortions as options, these instances equate to less than 1% of all abortions. Spin it however you wish. It's clear a great portion of the population favor having fewer abortions than we do now.
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Spin it however you wish.
No need to spin it. Only 12% favor outlawing abortion completely. Only 12% could therefore even possibly see the zygote as equal to a baby.

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It's clear a great portion of the population favor having fewer abortions than we do now.
Irrelevant even if true. That wasnt the argument. The argument was that most people do not view a Zygote as being equivilent to a newborn baby. You replied that I was mistaken, and then proceeded to quote a poll that supported my argument. Good job.

Go back and read the original post you replied to. Sheesh.

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To reiterate Only 24% of the US population hold your point of view.
Um...the poll said the 24% was for people who think abortion should always be legal. Obviously, that is not my position. I am pro-life. I explained why in detail for several pages in this thread. Go back and read my posts.
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