I'm with you 12th. I can't even bring myself to click on it because I know what it is already. I get queasy about stuff like that.
But I don't think this is the right way to argue against pro-choice. This is using emotion, a rather dirty topic. I tend to think the main way to argue against pro-choice is using the simple logic that even Jeffrey Feiger understands: "The one making the choice is not the one dying." From there I think it is best to approach from the perspective that pro-choicers are not actually pro-abortion. I think there is a common ground to be had and honest discussion of policy alternatives is an order.
I don't like the use of these harsh, villainizing methods used by either side in that it only serves to increase the polarity and ensure a neverending battle over a method of birth control that no one really likes.

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Offer up one little sentence contradicting another post with not one word of support to back up his claims. His brilliance is truly unmatched on this forum.


That said, I guess I should offer up some opinion about abortion in order to add some legitimacy to this post. I'm pro-life. I think abortion is destructive to our society. It teaches people that it is okay to be irresponsible and selfish. If a person can't afford to have a child, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. If you're not ready to accept the responsibility of parenthood, perhaps you shouldn't be having sex. There are other activities one can engage in besides sex.

There are methods of sexual intercourse that cannot possibly cause pregnancy. If teens are so intent on having sex for whatever reason, perhaps we need to put less stress on teaching abstinence and more on teching oral sex, or even the good old fashion hand jobber .

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There is another thing that would help in this matter, Force. If society would judge men who sleep around as the gutter-*ho**s that they truly are, and if men were expected to remain virgins till the wedding night, perhaps there would be less need for abortions.

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He's a foreigner. His opinion doesnt count where our laws are concerned anyway.

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they do belong to the baby inside it. The proper time for those women to think about their body is before they allow, of their own free will, another living being to populate it.

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The baby's body doesnt belong to the mother either. Thats the whole point.

You speak about the Mother's right to control her own body while ignoring the child's right to contol IT'S own body. That doesnt seem hypocritical to you?

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...and if you own take into account the child's rights (i.e stop abortion) then you neglect the Mother's right to chose what happens to her body.

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Not in the slightest. At a point when the baby could survive outside of the mothers body, I agree. But for a deal of the pregnancy, the fetus is a collection of cells inside the mothers body, which her body produced, and her body is sustaining, and thus, I would consider a part of the mothers body.

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