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Old 01-31-2006, 06:47 AM
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Default Which is your favourite ideology? Why?

I think that the best ideology is social-democrats because I think that the Social Politics for poor and media people are the best.

I think that the goverments have to control a bit the economy because are a lot of corporations that try to broke the law and the State can give more welfare than a private corporation that only like money, not people.

I have other reasons but I don't have a lot of time.

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I don't like ideologies. They're limiting.
Right now, due to the uselessness and conservative leftism (sounds like an oxymoron, but I mean their clinging to leftist programs that don't work and not doing anything to reform them, just making excuses) of the Crat Party, I feel the Libertarians are the best choice for me right now, despite being a liberal more than a libertarian. I'm a capitalist, but I think that a minimal welfare state should exist to take care of the economic problems that people are too lazy to fix themselves regardless of whatever "personal responsibility" rhetoric they like to use. I think personal responsibility is something to extend to helping out those around you when you can, not just a convenient way to excuse why someone is in a crappy situation.
But I've been known to switch ideologies as they suit me. Underneath it all, I have some core beliefs but the world changes and the ideologies lag. Ideologies are really just mental traps anyway.
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I think that the goverments have to control a bit the economy because are a lot of corporations that try to broke the law and the State can give more welfare than a private corporation that only like money, not people.
While it might sound good, this doesn't really work because government can't be trusted. They just end up serving the corporations anyway.
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I am a Neo-conservative. Neo-con for short.

Neo-cons tend to favor few or no restrictions on free speech, an extremely aggressive foreign policy, free market capitalism, and tend to be moderate (maybe a little right of moderate) on most social issues. Most neo-cons are against government spending, with one exception: Defense.

Neo-cons are a mutated form of what you probably think of as American Republicans. We now call those Paleo-conservsatives. Pat Buchanan is a good example of a Paleo-conservative. Where Neo-cons could be called "moral crusaders" who want to advance their ideology across the world, Paleo-conservatives are mostly isolationists who think we should mind our own business. Paleo-conservatives are also more financially conservative than neo-cons. They support restrictions on ALL spending, including Defense.

Most of the current Bush administration are considered Neo-cons (Bush himself, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney, among others). Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh are examples of media Neo-cons.
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Yeah, sadly charity will only work in a meaningful way when individuals decide to do it instead of putting it off on the government or corporations.
But the two main foggy ideologies have their flaws:
1) The liberals prefer to have government do it because at least then it gets done no matter what and because it's centralized and has the potential to be directed.
2) The conservatives prefer charity for the reason I mentioned above but generally don't want to give anything into it because they have an infinite number of rationalizations for how the poor deserve to be poor because they're lazy.

The lesson: Ideologies suck and as long as we have these two dumb views, the problem is never going to get better. The cons don't believe in helping people get out of poverty other than in fixing the macrostructure of the economy (and making themselves rich in the process) and libs trust too much in bureaucracy.
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2) The conservatives prefer charity for the reason I mentioned above but generally don't want to give anything into it because they have an infinite number of rationalizations for how the poor deserve to be poor because they're lazy.

The lesson: Ideologies suck and as long as we have these two dumb views, the problem is never going to get better. The cons don't believe in helping people get out of poverty other than in fixing the macrostructure of the economy (and making themselves rich in the process) and libs trust too much in bureaucracy.
Perhaps my experience is more anecdotal, but people that I know that are conservative tend to be more giving and not only advocate charity, but participate with donations as well as volunteerism. There was a study a few months ago that showed more red state participation in charitable giving than blue state. Blue/liberal states were already heavily taxed to the point of saying "let the welfare/social system take care of the poor. I gave at the office."
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Popular Nationalism because it puts the economy and government under the control of the people and it concentrates on its nation's problems first before tending to other matters. In case you havent heard of it its because I made it up and Im planning on starting my own movement out of it.
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I support pretty much what you believe JSC.
Democratic government has to tend to the needs of voiceless minority (in terms of votes), as well as the majority that elect leaders.

The hungry children of US do not have a vote - but they need to be fed !
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I suppose if I were to create an ideal political conception, it would be a global federalism of sorts, local governments with most control working from grassroots up, designing systems that work for their local concerns, moving on up to regional, national, and world governments with the purpose of keeping order and moderating conflict but otherwise staying out of the way. As far as the localized governments go, I favor libertarian thought. I think that once people are broken into tighter communities, people will put more effort into helping those that need help and building programs that work. Though I'd also allow free immigration so that dissenters and people who can't make it in their communities can go elsewhere to seek fortune or a sense of community. Hopefully we'd see a large variety of economic and social systems all created to reflect local interests. On another dimension, all communities would be interconnected, but that would be the focus of the higher level governments which would have to be accountable to the local governments. It should be from the roots up, not top down.
Don't ask how that can be done. But that's the idea. Too bad there are not yet any parties that even seem to want to do that. Pub-type parties claim to want more decentralized government but it is still top-down. Even states' rights seems to be about allowing states to decide how they will dictate to localities. As if people in a state have common interests or lifestyles.
People need to make the government. And the only way that can be done is through local concerns moderated by a few elected types who want to do all the math.
But as with everything else, war screws everything up. The world has a culture of violence and force shaped by our history. And it isn;t going to end until we as a global society decide to end it.
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