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Old 06-19-2004, 09:39 AM
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Japan and Germany??...You are joking right???
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Japan and Germany??...You are joking right???
The only reason Japan attacked the United States was because we placed an oil embargo on that country for what it was doing to it's neighbors. Hitler and Japan were not allies in the attack on the US. As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved. Hitler loved Mussolini but not so much the Japanese. If they would have been allies, Hitler would never have allowed the Japanese to involve the US. What happened after December 7, 1941 does not apply. They may have become allies, although I am not an expert on the subject, but before the bombing of Pearl Harbor they had no alliance to attack the US
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As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved.
Didn't Hitler send an encoded message to Mexico telling them that if they attacked us, that Germany would help them gain their land back? We decoded that message and it was one of the reasons we joined. I think Hitler was provoking us.
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Japan and Germany??...You are joking right???
The only reason Japan attacked the United States was because we placed an oil embargo on that country for what it was doing to it's neighbors. Hitler and Japan were not allies in the attack on the US. As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved. Hitler loved Mussolini but not so much the Japanese. If they would have been allies, Hitler would never have allowed the Japanese to involve the US. What happened after December 7, 1941 does not apply. They may have become allies, although I am not an expert on the subject, but before the bombing of Pearl Harbor they had no alliance to attack the US
That was far from the only reason that the US attacked the US. Ever since the invasion of Manchuria, the US had looked unfavorably on Japanese Imperialism, seeing it as a direct threat to the US and US Pacific interests. Relations between the two were icy at best, and when Japan embarked on it's South East Asian conquests, the relations worsened. The Japanese high command knew (for a long time) that the US was the only major threat to the Japanese Empire and decided upon a pre-emptive strike to knock the US off balance long enough for Japan to consolidate it's empire. (Pearl Harbor)
On the attack itself Germany had no part to play, but Japan and Germany were allied. I can't remember the exact terms of the treaty, but it was due to this far away alliance that Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. Besides, the US was in all practical senses in the war, beyond the piece of paper "We declare war". This act just gave Roosevelt the required support to get it done.

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As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved.
Didn't Hitler send an encoded message to Mexico telling them that if they attacked us, that Germany would help them gain their land back? We decoded that message and it was one of the reasons we joined. I think Hitler was provoking us.
That was the Zimmermann telegram in 1917, during WWI. Different war, different Germany. But that was a clumsy act of diplomacy by the kaiser.
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As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved.
Didn't Hitler send an encoded message to Mexico telling them that if they attacked us, that Germany would help them gain their land back? We decoded that message and it was one of the reasons we joined. I think Hitler was provoking us.
but what does any of this have to do with my letter to my friend who died serving his country in Iraq?
And when did Mexico and Japan unite?
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Japan and Germany??...You are joking right???
The only reason Japan attacked the United States was because we placed an oil embargo on that country for what it was doing to it's neighbors. Hitler and Japan were not allies in the attack on the US. As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved. Hitler loved Mussolini but not so much the Japanese. If they would have been allies, Hitler would never have allowed the Japanese to involve the US. What happened after December 7, 1941 does not apply. They may have become allies, although I am not an expert on the subject, but before the bombing of Pearl Harbor they had no alliance to attack the US
That was far from the only reason that the US attacked the US. Ever since the invasion of Manchuria, the US had looked unfavorably on Japanese Imperialism, seeing it as a direct threat to the US and US Pacific interests. Relations between the two were icy at best, and when Japan embarked on it's South East Asian conquests, the relations worsened. The Japanese high command knew (for a long time) that the US was the only major threat to the Japanese Empire and decided upon a pre-emptive strike to knock the US off balance long enough for Japan to consolidate it's empire. (Pearl Harbor)
On the attack itself Germany had no part to play, but Japan and Germany were allied. I can't remember the exact terms of the treaty, but it was due to this far away alliance that Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor. Besides, the US was in all practical senses in the war, beyond the piece of paper "We declare war". This act just gave Roosevelt the required support to get it done.

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As a matter of fact, Hitler did not want the US to ever be involved. Hitler was smart enough to know that he would lose the war if America became involved.
Didn't Hitler send an encoded message to Mexico telling them that if they attacked us, that Germany would help them gain their land back? We decoded that message and it was one of the reasons we joined. I think Hitler was provoking us.
That was the Zimmermann telegram in 1917, during WWI. Different war, different Germany. But that was a clumsy act of diplomacy by the kaiser.
While Iraq had no involvement with 9/11 they were courting or were courted by AL Qaida. Have a nice day!!!
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While Iraq had no involvement with 9/11 they were courting or were courted by AL Qaida. Have a nice day!!!
Whatever...
I'm just pointing out the history...
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While Iraq had no involvement with 9/11 they were courting or were courted by AL Qaida. Have a nice day!!!
Whatever...
I'm just pointing out the history...
This all started because basically I said my friend died fighting for his country. That was challenged in the opinions of some of the people on here.
My friend sacrificed his life in the pursuit of freedom. He died for you, me and everyone else who has free speech. He may not have done it in a war everyone agrees on but he did it just the same. He sure didn't do it for the money. That's all I am trying to get across. I love my friend and I miss him and I thank him every day for his sacrifice and why the letter ever had to be picked apart is beyond me, but it was.
I will defend him and his sacrifice for his country. Why I have to defend him at all is absurd.
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You're right, sorry about that. My bad.
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