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Old 02-24-2006, 07:19 AM
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First let me say I respect women and believe they are equal..

but a something I also believe (that may be wrong but its my honest opinion and belief):

Every woman Ive ever met says, "I am not like other women". (and any woman reading this right now is thinking.. "well, I am not like other women") hehe sorry but you know its true..

therefore, women FIRST compete against each other.. so I believe when it comes time to vote, the women that said they would vote for another woman .. WON'T!
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First let me say I respect women and believe they are equal..

but a something I also believe (that may be wrong but its my honest opinion and belief):

Every woman Ive ever met says, "I am not like other women". (and any woman reading this right now is thinking.. "well, I am not like other women") hehe sorry but you know its true..

therefore, women FIRST compete against each other.. so I believe when it comes time to vote, the women that said they would vote for another woman .. WON'T!
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Old 02-25-2006, 10:37 AM
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if hillary runs?
unless they truly despise her, and i am sure there are many, i think a woman would be inclined to vote for a female president.
unless there is a strong, centrist, alternative republican candidate, i believe most women would be inclined to vote for a female president.
the republican base would never vote for a demo, so those avid opponents' votes aren't up for grabs anyway. likewise in the opposite direction, the yellow dog democrats will vote the party ticket no matter that hillary is both a woman and hillary.
it will be those in the middle who make the next call. women control that vote and the republicans know it.
i think the republicans fear hillary, despite what xtro said about the pubs wanting her to be atop the opposition ticket. after all of the investigations she has endured, and with the huge amount of sleaze and corruption in the present administration, the republicans have good reason to fear that she would do. prison construction would be a growth industry to hold them all.
that trial balloon effort launched by the neocons to suggest candy rice would be a strong contender is a good indication that the republicans appreciate the gender aspect (and dread the prospect of a hillary presidency).
not sure hillary is my first choice, as she does not have the charisma of bill but she is the smarter of the two. barbara boxer was mentioned earlier, as a prospect ... has the depth of a thimble, unfortunately ... of course that didn't seem to hurt dubya!
john edwards would be a good president but he isn't a good politician ... sad state of affairs when politics is too greasy for a trial attorney.
russ feingold appears to be the candidate who can potentially displace hillary, and while the previously mentioned lieberman shares the same jewish-ethnicity issue, feingold is the only one presently within the democratic camp who is offering cogent opposition to point out the weaknesses of the guys in office who can't shoot straight. of those two jewish, democratic senators, only feingold is a democrat. for that reason frankcapua, i have to strongly disagree with your belief that lieberman is electable.
but that is the point, the democrats MUST finally nominate someone who is electable. having a platform and standing for something would be nice, too.
a mccain nomination might prevail against a good democratic candiate, he will win in a walk if the demos insist on running another loser.
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Hopefully women are not that shallow, and can think instead of voting a straight ticket to all females. Yes, it would be nice to see a woman in the President's Office, but I cannot think of any one that might be ready for that position, except maybe Elizabeth Dole (US Congresswoman from NC, R). Hillary is definately not ready, and I think Rice could possibly work (heck, shoot for black and female at the same time!), but I think that the best bet for this time period would be Dole.
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I pray she makes Democratic candidate for president. Then the Republicans could throw aout anyone and win. I love it! The Democrats talk about how terrible Bush is and how they could do a better job but come election time they throw out people like Gore, Kerry, and Hilary. It shows you they just aren't electable anymore! I'd say this is the final nail on the coffen for the Dems and I couldn't be happier!

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Hillary won't win for many reasons but the fact that the US isn't ready for a female president isn't one of them.

First thing Democrats need to realise is that she's not Bill Clinton. She lacks the charisma, the political saavy and to be blunt, the administrative capablities to BE an effective president. It's very odd that the Democrats spent almost the entirety of the Clinton Presidency trying to keep her mouth shut and now all of a sudden they want her to run for president.

Hillary, much like John McCain on the right, has a knack for saying extremely dumb things at the worst time possible as well as a nasty temper to boot. She's already slipped once and it's a matter of time before she does it again.

The REAL reason she won't win however is because I don't see John Kerry, AL Gore, and John Edwards NOT running. I don't think the Democrats have the organization to be able to build up a powerful enough coalition against those three to push them out of the race. I think all four will likely run. If three of them are hanging around after Iowa, Hillary will be up a creek without a paddle. She'll be clammoring for mainstream left votes with all of them.

I personally think the Democratic winner will be a total dark horse, as is usually the case. The person who's SUPPOSED to win almost never does in the Democratic primaries. I think that Dark Horse is Evan Bayah from Indiana.

I say this for more than a few reasons...

1.) He's young, good looking, and has a sliver tounge. He has a political charisma about him only second to Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton on the left.

2.) He can talk to values voters about liberal values in a way they can identify with. As a baptist from Indiana, he's got the experience and track record with these folks. He's the kind of candidate the Dems should NEED to run in 08.

3.) The political battles of the future will be fought in the Great Lakes region. Indiana is just that. He can pull a conservative state and it's likely that his base of operations will be there too. Campaigning out of the great lakes region will be a HUGE advantage and will be tremendously appealing to Democratic power brokers.

Now, that being said, some things need to happen. If I'm Bayah I skip New Hampshire altogether and let the big four beat each other stupid. I go right to Iowa and campaign my brains out. He'll do very well in the south and midwest. Both places where the democrats struggle. That alone should be a clue that he may be their guy. I say if he's anywhere near the front by the time the primaries hit the south, he'll win the nomination easily.

The Republican primary will be very similar. It's all going to depend on how much of a lead Mitt Romney will be able to open up in the north, west, and great lakes region. He's going to have to cling on for dear life in the south to hold off Bill Frist...

But on the topic of Hillary, she's unelectable for a variety of reasons. America is certainly ready for a female president, but to assume the female vote would be shallow enough to vote on Hillary strictly on the basis of her genitals is silly.
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If America consistently refuses to elect a woman as President it can only be because America does not a woman to be President. You can try to dress it up any way you like (to take the bad-look off it), but the facts speak for themselves...that society is not ready for the idea yet (some places take a little longer)..
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There is no way that you are a man... you just say that to fool people. I have read your stuff and you most definately are a woman.
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There is no way that you are a man... you just say that to fool people. I have read your stuff and you most definately are a woman.
That could be an effeminate man. Maybe he likes to wear a dress. Who knows?
I fully recognize that this is a very serious topic and I don't mean to detract from the debate about it. With that disclaimer, those two posts made me laugh until tears were coming from my eyes.
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If America consistently refuses to elect a woman as President it can only be because America does not a woman to be President. You can try to dress it up any way you like (to take the bad-look off it), but the facts speak for themselves...that society is not ready for the idea yet (some places take a little longer)..
Well, I hope you are wrong because it's about time America had true equality. There is precedent from your country, moreover, for such predictions being incorrect:

"It will be years -- not in my time -- before a woman will become Prime Minister." -- Margaret Thatcher, 1974.
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To me, it does not matter if a woman is elected President. People are too worried over the look of people now that they completely ignore the content. Do I think there is a woman competent enough to be president yet? Of course not. But I also don't think there is a man (other than Rudi).
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