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Old 02-16-2006, 01:43 PM
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Default Hillary 2008 - HUGE Mistake!

Hillary can not and will not win the 2008 race for President.

She will seem to have support of the democrat party and will lead the race.. but when it comes down to 2 players... she will lose to whoever she runs against.

You know its true.

1) she has done nothing for NY as senator and has no other experience.
2) she is not qualified for the position
3) her popularity belongs to President Bill Clinton.
4) she thinks she can be the first female President and desires that legacy more than the job of actually being the President.
5) and lets face it.. even though every one says this country is equal it is not ready for a female president..


Again, supporting her now.. will hurt us all in the end.. find someone qualified, someone strong and assertive, someone intelligent and charismatic, someone worthy of the position, and someone that wont be a waste of all our time and energy just to lose.

Please lets not make this mistake.. stop this before this ball gets too big to stop.
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Old 02-16-2006, 02:23 PM
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Sorry but I would be happy if Hillary didn't win. I don't see her winning either.
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:52 AM
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are in disarray. Will likely nominate Hillary or one of their two recent losers. Lieberman would be electable, but the party has moved too far left to nominate him.

Don't know who the Republicans will nominate, but he will likely win.
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Default What about Barbara?

I believe that this country may be ready for a woman president, but I do not think Hillary will win if she runs. I believe that Senator Barbara Boxer is a much better candidate. She has always stood up for the American people and she is strong without being "mannish."

I really hope Kerry doesn't run again because he will not win either. America tends to vote for the more charismatic candidate and both Kerry and Gore (God Bless Them) have no personality.
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:42 PM
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Every republican in American is hoping she runs. I seems that the democrats have gone far left and any good moderate is out of the question. The republicans will pick a moderate and will win. I foresee someone like John McCain who is a moderate and on many occasions spoke in defiances of Bush. He would draw many Democrats too that are not far left.
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if hillary runs?
unless they truly despise her, and i am sure there are many, i think a woman would be inclined to vote for a female president.
unless there is a strong, centrist, alternative republican candidate, i believe most women would be inclined to vote for a female president.
the republican base would never vote for a demo, so those avid opponents' votes aren't up for grabs anyway. likewise in the opposite direction, the yellow dog democrats will vote the party ticket no matter that hillary is both a woman and hillary.
it will be those in the middle who make the next call. women control that vote and the republicans know it.
i think the republicans fear hillary, despite what xtro said about the pubs wanting her to be atop the opposition ticket. after all of the investigations she has endured, and with the huge amount of sleaze and corruption in the present administration, the republicans have good reason to fear that she would do. prison construction would be a growth industry to hold them all.
that trial balloon effort launched by the neocons to suggest candy rice would be a strong contender is a good indication that the republicans appreciate the gender aspect (and dread the prospect of a hillary presidency).
not sure hillary is my first choice, as she does not have the charisma of bill but she is the smarter of the two. barbara boxer was mentioned earlier, as a prospect ... has the depth of a thimble, unfortunately ... of course that didn't seem to hurt dubya!
john edwards would be a good president but he isn't a good politician ... sad state of affairs when politics is too greasy for a trial attorney.
russ feingold appears to be the candidate who can potentially displace hillary, and while the previously mentioned lieberman shares the same jewish-ethnicity issue, feingold is the only one presently within the democratic camp who is offering cogent opposition to point out the weaknesses of the guys in office who can't shoot straight. of those two jewish, democratic senators, only feingold is a democrat. for that reason frankcapua, i have to strongly disagree with your belief that lieberman is electable.
but that is the point, the democrats MUST finally nominate someone who is electable. having a platform and standing for something would be nice, too.
a mccain nomination might prevail against a good democratic candiate, he will win in a walk if the demos insist on running another loser.
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5) and lets face it.. even though every one says this country is equal it is not ready for a female president..
Writing as a man, I am ready for a woman President, and I think it is a national disgrace that there has never been one. I would vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton if she were pro-life, but she is not.
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if hillary runs?
unless they truly despise her, and i am sure there are many, i think a woman would be inclined to vote for a female president.
unless there is a strong, centrist, alternative republican candidate, i believe most women would be inclined to vote for a female president.
the republican base would never vote for a demo, so those avid opponents' votes aren't up for grabs anyway. likewise in the opposite direction, the yellow dog democrats will vote the party ticket no matter that hillary is both a woman and hillary.
it will be those in the middle who make the next call. women control that vote and the republicans know it.
i think the republicans fear hillary, despite what xtro said about the pubs wanting her to be atop the opposition ticket. after all of the investigations she has endured, and with the huge amount of sleaze and corruption in the present administration, the republicans have good reason to fear that she would do. prison construction would be a growth industry to hold them all.
that trial balloon effort launched by the neocons to suggest candy rice would be a strong contender is a good indication that the republicans appreciate the gender aspect (and dread the prospect of a hillary presidency).
not sure hillary is my first choice, as she does not have the charisma of bill but she is the smarter of the two. barbara boxer was mentioned earlier, as a prospect ... has the depth of a thimble, unfortunately ... of course that didn't seem to hurt dubya!
john edwards would be a good president but he isn't a good politician ... sad state of affairs when politics is too greasy for a trial attorney.
russ feingold appears to be the candidate who can potentially displace hillary, and while the previously mentioned lieberman shares the same jewish-ethnicity issue, feingold is the only one presently within the democratic camp who is offering cogent opposition to point out the weaknesses of the guys in office who can't shoot straight. of those two jewish, democratic senators, only feingold is a democrat. for that reason frankcapua, i have to strongly disagree with your belief that lieberman is electable.
but that is the point, the democrats MUST finally nominate someone who is electable. having a platform and standing for something would be nice, too.
a mccain nomination might prevail against a good democratic candiate, he will win in a walk if the demos insist on running another loser.
ymmv
Barbara Boxer really is a smart lady. You should check out her website and read some of her speeches.

I completely agree with you that the Democrats need a candidate that stands for something. Actually, the Democratic party as a whole needs to figure out what the heck they stand for instead of simply being reactionary.
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5) and lets face it.. even though every one says this country is equal it is not ready for a female president..
Writing as a man, I am ready for a woman President, and I think it is a national disgrace that there has never been one. I would vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton if she were pro-life, but she is not.
There is no way that you are a man... you just say that to fool people. I have read your stuff and you most definately are a woman.
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There is no way that you are a man... you just say that to fool people. I have read your stuff and you most definately are a woman.
That could be an effeminate man. Maybe he likes to wear a dress. Who knows?
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