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Old 02-18-2006, 11:43 PM
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Default Proof that Pornography Is Dangerous

Months ago, I presented a series of studies showing a strong correlation between pornography and, among other things, sexual violence against women. I wasn't able to prove my case because, hypothetically, some character trait in certain men might make them more likely both to view pornography and to commit acts of sexual violence. However, I now have proof that pornography causes men to be more violent towards women. Read this carefully:

Research conducted on subjects (usually male college students) in carefully controlled laboratory settings has provided some support for this assessment of violent pornography, but less support for the commission’s conclusions about nonviolent degrading pornography. To isolate the influence of different factors, experimenters typically expose groups of men to one of four types of films: violent and sexually explicit, violent but not sexually explicit, sexually explicit but not violent, and neither sexually explicit nor violent. After exposure to the films, experimenters often measure subjects’ aggression by testing their willingness to administer simulated shocks to a female colleague of the researchers.

Studies indicate that men who viewed films that were both violent and sexually explicit recorded the highest levels of aggression, followed by those who viewed sexually explicit but nonviolent films. Men record the highest levels of aggression after viewing pornography that portrays women as being sexually aroused by the violence perpetrated against them.

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Therefore, non-violent pornography encourages violence against women more even than portrayals of non-sexual violence against women. Case closed. Mere imprisonment would be useless in attempting to end such a (sadly) high demand "business" as pornography. I support- and I won't back down from this- government castration of any man who manufactures, sells or distributes pornography or who operates a place of live pornographic material. You can call me authoritarian if you want to. I care more about victimized women than I do about pornographers. If you don't, re-think your priorities. As for those who claim I think women are "delicate flowers" (which I don't), I take pride in the fact that Catharine MacKinnon has had the same insults leveled against her by phony libertarian "feminists". If you think that pornography should be legal, you support a sexist ideology.
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So are guns, cars..hell, fire. We gonna ban all of those too?

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Mere imprisonment would be useless in attempting to end such a (sadly) high demand "business" as pornography. I support- and I won't back down from this- government castration of any man who manufactures, sells or distributes pornography or who operates a place of live pornographic material. You can call me authoritarian if you want to.
How about I call you insane.

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I care more about victimized women than I do about pornographers.
Victimized? All actresses CONSENT WILLFULLY to the films. If you are talking about women in general being victimized by pornography-made-aggressive men, we already have laws for that.

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If you think that pornography should be legal, you support a sexist ideology.
What about the men in the films? Is gay porn still ok?
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Uh Force, you may want to read the rest of the article:

"Although research provides some support for the view that violent pornography is harmful, critics advise caution about these findings for several reasons. First, the evidence shows only correlation between two factors and does not prove that one causes the other. Second, laboratory experiments are done in artificial settings and do not necessarily reflect behavior in the real world. Subjects who behave aggressively in the laboratory do not expect negative consequences as they might in the real world, and subjects might perceive that experimenters condone or even encourage aggression. Also, subjects might not believe that they are inflicting real harm. Third, some studies have demonstrated that the effects of violent pornography usually wear off once subjects leave the lab, suggesting a transient effect. Finally, no studies have measured the long-term effects of exposure to pornography. These long-term studies are necessary before researchers can adequately assess the effects of pornography.

In summary, some evidence exists that exposure to violent pornography, and perhaps also to degrading pornography, causes violence and aggression against women. However, the evidence is inconclusive, and other studies have found no such effects."

Since your own article contradicts your assertion that the case is closed, I think you have a non-winner here. Keep looking.
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I care more about victimized women than I do about pornographers.
Victimized? All actresses CONSENT WILLFULLY to the films. If you are talking about women in general being victimized by pornography-made-aggressive men, we already have laws for that.

I'm referring to the victims of rape, which is encouraged by pornography. Replying to VolvoDriver, I am already well aware of what you posted, but that is the subjective opinion of the author, who (I've read Encarta) is a civil libertarian. On the other hand, those electric shock studies, which I'm sure the author could hardly bring himself (he is a man) to mention are scientific proof rather than idle commentary. Case closed.
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Violent pornography (and pornography in general) is ubiquitous in Japan yet they have a very low violent crime rate. Ergo: pornography does not cause crime.
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Violent pornography (and pornography in general) is ubiquitous in Japan yet they have a very low violent crime rate. Ergo: pornography does not cause crime.
Because of its culture, Japan is less violent. What the above-mentioned studies prove is that any given man, after being exposed to pornography, is significantly more likely to be violent towards women than he was before.
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Violent pornography (and pornography in general) is ubiquitous in Japan yet they have a very low violent crime rate. Ergo: pornography does not cause crime.
Because of its culture, Japan is less violent. What the above-mentioned studies prove is that any given man, after being exposed to pornography, is significantly more likely to be violent towards women than he was before.
Just what do you determined as "violent" to be labeled a porn induced condition?

Porn and violence in films and game etc does desensitized us all to not see/read about it in real life as shocking, but there is no correlation to increase violence.

I could argue the case the other way. In the middle east were porn is a crime women are treated the worst and are victimized the greatest.

In Japan much of their porn is based on the rape of young girls from old guys. They have comic books about it on the local newsstand, but violence is low. Same in Thailand porn, prostitution etc is big, violence is low.
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The willingness to deliver electric shocks speaks for itself. Again, cultural differences influence the level of violence of any kind, but any given man in any given culture is more likely to commit acts of violence against women, including rape, if he is exposed to pornography than if he is not. If pornography were eliminated from Japan, the number of sexual assaults would further decrease. If it were allowed in the Middle East, women would be in an even worse plight there.
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Even if porn does increase violent behavior (which it doesn't), so what? Beer increases violent behavior but instead of outlawing drink we outlawed violence.

People have aright to do what they want to do, if that means staring in or watching porn then who are you to stop them?
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The studies prove that pornography leads to sexually motivated violence, which is the most horrible kind. Alcohol doesn't make men want to commit rape, but pornography often does. That is the difference. On a side note, have you seen my latest threads on economic issues, H-P? They support sustainable moderate socialism.
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