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Old 02-19-2006, 08:15 PM
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give me both. i will try to sort through the bias and land some where in the middle.
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Okay, here is the perspective of the right on gay adoption in general:

There is only one study that has any kind of follow-up. This particular study misanalyses its own data, which in fact show that the daughters of lesbian couples are more likely to engage in lesbian sexual experimentation as adults than are the daughters of heterosexual couples. This effect is probably understated since the authors lump together heterosexuals who are married with those who are cohabiting.

http://www.nationalreview.com/interr...tory041202.asp

... And of the left:

The American Psychological Association, the National Council for Adoptable Children, the Child Welfare League of America, and others have taken public positions against restricting lesbian and gay parenting, based at least partially on the results of the studies summarized here. In February 2002, the American Academy of Pediatrics joined this growing chorus against discrimination with a policy statement in support of gay adoption.

http://www.lethimstay.com/wrong_socscience.html (Actually part of the ACLU)
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Both links seem to support my claim that not enough credible research has been done to make any conclusive remarks. I do seem to lean towards the left (big surprise, right?) since I find nothing to fault the second link on (of course, it doesn't really say much besides "support gay adoption because these organizations say it's okay," and so offers little to our discussion). There were some remarks from he first link that I general disagree with.

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There is some evidence that growing up with homosexual parents increases the likelihood of sexual promiscuity, experimentation, and homosexual sexual experience. If sexual preference is at least in part learned, this is to be expected. There is also a large literature indicating that gender nonconformity growing up leads to an increased likelihood of developing a homosexual orientation as an adult. I would speculate that same-sex adoption would likely lead to a greater experimentation with gender nonconformity and a greater likelihood of producing gays and lesbian adults than would heterosexual adoption.
This all assumes, of course, that there is something inherently wrong or harmful about homosexuality- something I simply cannot support.

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Finally, there is evidence that homosexuality, male or female, is associated with adjustment problem such as depression, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug abuse, and attempts at suicide and, of course, there is the risk for gay men of venereal disease including but not limited to AIDS.
If homosexuality weren't so stigmatized, there would be less depressed, drug-addicted, and suicidal homosexuals. This seems obvious to me.

I guess this comes down to your own moral opinion about homosexual. If having gay parents does increase the likelihood of being gay than it is safe to say that those who see that as harmful will oppose it while who don't will support. If having gay parents doesn't increase such a likelihood, than there should be no opposition (though I doubt that would happen). I don't consider homosexuality a problem, so I wouldn't considered gay adoption harmful to children no matter what the research results might be.
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I believe in equality, so I have no problem with homosexuality either. However, there is the issue of loss of gender identity, which actually is unrelated to homosexuality. I, for one, have lost much of my sense of gender identity. I don't know whether that is good or bad, but I wonder whether gay adoption causes this.
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I didn't see any comments concerning gender identity from either link, but you make a good point. The last thing we need are more self-hating authoritarian men who wanna handover all control of the government to women.

Y'know I once wrote a story about women forcefully taking control of the world through a world war. I titled it "Escape From the Prison Planet." Sadly, I lost it (although the basic plot is still in my head), or I'd post it for you in the off-topic forum.
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Since I think that homosexuality is genetic, I don't think that gay adoption causes children to become homosexual. I also don't think that homosexuality is immoral, so the National Review's claim would be irrelevant to me even if it were true. I feel very guilty for disagreeing with my parents, but I support gay adoption.
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That wraps this one up, an now I can log off and go to bed. Night.

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