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Old 02-22-2006, 09:42 AM
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Is this jew crazy. . he will be called a "self hating Jew" or some other stupid label by the zionist antichists. . .

A Glimmer of Hope, A State of All Its Citizens, by Yakov M. Rabkin Source: http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index...e/020711f.html Published in Tikkun: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique of Politics, Culture & Society July/Aug 2002 || http://www.tikkun.org Yakov M. Rabkin is a Professor of History at the University of Montreal. His publications include two books: Science between the Superpowers and Interaction between Scientific and Jewish Cultures. E-mail: yakov.rabkin@Umontreal.CA

In line with this idea of contract, the Jewish tradition attributes the exile of the Jews from the Land to their abandoning Torah commandments. The tradition does not view Jews as hapless victims, but rather as makers of their own fate. Maimonides and other classical sources indicate that the way back to the Land of Israel is Teshuvah, i.e. repentance and return to the commandments. Since the reason for exile is not attributed to the superior strength of the Roman legions, the redress for exile is not and should not be sought in developing a mightier army. In fact, the Talmud (BT Ketubot, 111a) refers to oaths that the Jews were to swear prior to their second exile, in which they are enjoined not to rebel against the nations and to re-occupy the Land of Israel by force. Given this tradition, some Judaic scholars see Israel's military exploits not as a sign of impending messianic redemption but rather as a blasphemous act of rebellion.
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Aren't you ever going to get over hating on Jews? With as much as you obsess about Jews, I'm beginning to think you are just upset that you weren't born one.
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I've never read literature that is followed exclusively by Judaism, but from the Old Testament, or Tanakh, I know that Jews repeatedly re-conquered land that was rightfully theirs and saw their victories as signs that they were following God's laws. By that standard, today's Israelis, being victorious, are under God's protection. I am not stating that this is or is not true, but I will state that, to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Rabkin is incorrect in his conclusions about religion and foreign policy.
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I've never read literature that is followed exclusively by Judaism, but from the Old Testament, or Tanakh, I know that Jews repeatedly re-conquered land that was rightfully theirs and saw their victories as signs that they were following God's laws. By that standard, today's Israelis, being victorious, are under God's protection. I am not stating that this is or is not true, but I will state that, to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Rabkin is incorrect in his conclusions about religion and foreign policy.
Hey the "scholar" has returned to give us the whole of his knowledge. . .which turns out to be a big goose egg (0) . .. no surprise. . . have you sought mental help yet?

“ Put a trumpet to your mouth. He comes like an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have broken My covenant and have sinned against My law. Israel shall cry to Me, My God, we know You. Israel has thrown off good; the enemy shall pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by Me; they have made rulers, and I knew it not. They have made themselves idols with their silver and their gold, so that they may be cut off. Your calf, O Samaria, has cast you off. My anger is kindled against them. Until when will they not attain purity? For from Israel it came also. The craftsman made it, but it is not God. For the calf of Samaria shall be splinters. For they sow the wind, and they reap the whirlwind. It has no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal; if it does yield, strangers shall swallow it up.” Hosea 8:1-7

“And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it [was] the word of the LORD.”
Zechariah 11:10-11

But to the wicked, God says, What is it to you, to declare My statutes, and to take up My covenant in your mouth? Yea, you hate to be taught, and you toss My words behind you.”
Psalms 50:16-17

“And I will make your cities waste and cause your sanctuaries to be deserted. And I will not smell the savor of your sweet odors. And I will turn the land into wasteland. And your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you. And your land shall be waste, and your cities waste. Then shall the land enjoy its Sabbaths, as long as it lies waste, and you are in your enemies' land; then shall the land rest and enjoy its Sabbaths. Leviticus 26:32-33

“The LORD shall cause you to be stricken before your enemies. You shall go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them. And you shall be a trembling to all the kingdoms of the earth. The LORD shall bring you, and your king which you shall set over you, to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known. And there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone.” Deuteronomy 28:25, 36

“And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to your word. But truly, as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. Because all those men who have seen My glory and My miracles which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted Me now these ten times, and have not listened to My voice, surely they shall not see the land which I swore to their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked Me see it. But My servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and has followed Me fully, I will bring him into the land into which he went. And his seed shall possess it. (Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites lived in the valley.) Tomorrow turn and go into the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea. And the LORD spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying, How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmurs against Me? I have heard the murmurings of the sons of Israel which they murmur against Me. Say to them, As I live, says the LORD, as you have spoken in My ears, so I will do to you. Your dead bodies shall fall in this wilderness, and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, who have murmured against Me, you shall certainly not come into the land which I swore to make you live in, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun. But your little ones, which you said should be a prey, I will bring them in and they shall know the land which you have despised. But as for you, your bodies shall fall in this wilderness. And your sons shall feed in the wilderness forty years and bear your fornications, until your dead bodies have wasted in the wilderness. According to the number of the days in which you searched the land-- forty days-- each day for a year you shall bear your iniquities, forty years; and you shall know my alienation. I the LORD have spoken; I will surely do it to all this evil congregation who are gathered together against Me. They shall be destroyed in this wilderness, and there they shall die.
And the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land, who returned and made all the congregation to murmur against him, by bringing up an evil report upon the land, even those men that brought up the evil report upon the land died by the plague before the LORD. But Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, of the men that went to spy out the land, lived. And Moses told these sayings to all the sons of Israel. And the people mourned greatly. And they rose up early in the morning and went up to the top of the mountain, saying, Lo, we are here, and will go up to the place which the LORD has promised, for we have sinned. And Moses said, Why do you now go beyond the command of the LORD, since it shall not be blessed? Do not go up, for the LORD is not among you. And shall you not be beaten before your enemies? For the Amalekites and the Canaanites are there before you, and you shall fall by the sword. Because you have turned away from the LORD, therefore the LORD will not be with you.” Numbers 14:20-43
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