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Old 02-22-2006, 01:15 PM
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Default Knights of the Communal Order

Platform of the Communal Knighthood

I. Introduce a national child-care program that is completely funded and regulated by the federal government.

II. Nationalize all natural resource industries such as oil, gas, mining, steel, as well as some of the more important industries including automobiles and electronics.

III. Introduce universal education at all levels, including at the graduate level.

IV. Dismember the corporate world and replace it with a larger public sector, as well as with smaller and more competitive firms.

V. Introduce legislation that will increase the number of unions in the economy.

VI. Increase the presence of unions in the political process.

VII. The state should guarantee social services such as health insurance, pension and unemployment insurance.

VIII. Welfare programs should be adjusted according to inflation. If inflation is too high, the state should limit spending to the more privileged families.

IX. Introduce a full employment policy. This could be maintained through employment in the public sector.

X. Nationalize the banking system and eliminate interest on loans to low-income or middle-income households.

XI. Raise the minimum wage to $9.25 for students and $11.50 for adults.

XII. Introduce a law to regulate yearly raises that are consistent with the inflation rate.

XIII. Introduce a law that prohibits any elected official or their family from possessing and commercial or industrial property.

XIV. Revamp the tax system to assure that the wealthiest 10 percent of society does not possess for then 20 percent of the gross national product. While the poorest 20 percent cannot possess less then 10 percent. This will create a minimum and maximum standard of living.

XV. Adopt a party-based political system where the ruling party will elect a consul to rule for a period of 4 or 6 months.

XVI. Abolish the military and replace it with a large organized police for, as well as declare neutrality.

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You forgot the part about where you issue everyone nice matching uniforms, and teach them how to goose step.
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You forgot the part about where you issue everyone nice matching uniforms, and teach them how to goose step.
No, that's fascism. Closer to your neck of the woods.
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You forgot the part about where you issue everyone nice matching uniforms, and teach them how to goose step.
No, that's fascism. Closer to your neck of the woods.
How so? I am in favor of less government control, while you are in favor of more. I believe the only legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of the individual. You believe the individual must serve the state.

BTW, here's the definition of fascism...

Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government.

Your homework assignment is to re-read your "platform" and compare. Fascism is as fascism does.
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What you fail to realise is that the rights of the individual includes equality, which is what he is trying to encompass with his idea. He's not saying you should serve the state, he should state should do more for the people, and who better to serve the people than a state that is democratically controlled?

Anyway the words of the US icon, JFK himself sound a lot more like serving the state to me.

"ask not what America can do for you, but what you can do for America"
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What you fail to realise is that the rights of the individual includes equality, which is what he is trying to encompass with his idea.
The rights of the individual include equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.

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He's not saying you should serve the state, he should state should do more for the people, and who better to serve the people than a state that is democratically controlled?
No. He's saying individuals of ability should be forced to serve the rest of society - a clear violation of their individual rights.

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Anyway the words of the US icon, JFK himself sound a lot more like serving the state to me.

"ask not what America can do for you, but what you can do for America"
Thomas Paine's words were much closer to our Founding Fathers intent...

"That government is best which governs least."

That's why more people should have spoken out against Kennedy's statement at the time. It was in direct opposition to the ideas of the Founding: every citizen having the liberty to enjoy his own life, free of government dictates. In other words, free, autonomous individuals pursuing their own happiness and not having to choose between being parasites or sacrificial lambs.
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You forgot the part about where you issue everyone nice matching uniforms, and teach them how to goose step.
Heh heh

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No, that's fascism. Closer to your neck of the woods.
You mean there's a difference?

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Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government.

Your homework assignment is to re-read your "platform" and compare.
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What you fail to realise is that the rights of the individual includes equality
Except that the state gets to define "equality"...

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No. He's saying individuals of ability should be forced to serve the rest of society - a clear violation of their individual rights.
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XIII. Introduce a law that prohibits any elected official or their family from possessing and commercial or industrial property.

XIV. Revamp the tax system to assure that the wealthiest 10 percent of society does not possess for then 20 percent of the gross national product. While the poorest 20 percent cannot possess less then 10 percent. This will create a minimum and maximum standard of living.
Essentially, putting a cap on the wealthy and giving the poor 10% of the wealth for free.
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Anyway the words of the US icon, JFK himself sound a lot more like serving the state to me.

"ask not what America can do for you, but what you can do for America"
Please keep the words "ask not what America can do for you" in your head while you reread that platform and perhaps you will wonder, as I do, how JFK's words support it.
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Revamp the tax system to assure that the wealthiest 10 percent of society does not possess for then 20 percent of the gross national product. While the poorest 20 percent cannot possess less then 10 percent. This will create a minimum and maximum standard of living.
How would even track that? Plus, people don't own the gross national product. If you are going to have a policy at least know what the words mean.
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Particularly that bit about 'dismembering corporations' - careful with that axe...
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