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Old 03-12-2006, 10:35 AM
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The stuff we’ve been hearing about this morning – the radical feminism, the women’s studies departments, the gay studies departments, the black studies departments – all these things are branches of Critical Theory. What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, "What is the theory?" The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it can’t be done, that we can’t imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as we’re living under repression – the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression – we can’t even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down. And, of course, when we hear from the feminists that the whole of society is just out to get women and so on, that kind of criticism is a derivative of Critical Theory. It is all coming from the 1930s, not the 1960s.

Ask the Democrat party what they stand for, what are their ideas, and they cannot, or will not tell you. But they are more than willing to attack people with "the most destructive criticism possible"

What they are doing is creating voting blocks, I'm sure you guys understand the concept. In the middle east they use cartoons, in the US they use words like "plantation", or use platforms like C. Kings funeral. It's a perfect way to get people to vote and suport things and people that they normally wouldn't support. This is the history of the Democrat party and you can see this in action on a daily basis in the news.
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Yes, I'm sure that you can identify these anonymous "leaders" of the Democratic Party, Dave.
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IMO, political correctness implies and is supported by various hypocrisies. A certain code of behavior and manner of speech when dealing with this group, another when dealing wth that group. At its worst, it plays through into law.

In my mind, it is akin to a social disease.
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IMO, political correctness implies and is supported by various hypocrisies. A certain code of behavior and manner of speech when dealing with this group, another when dealing wth that group. At its worst, it plays through into law.
I agree. I think a good example would be the use of the word “n!gger”.
Suppose some black guys beat me up over my use of the word. I can’t exactly charge them with infringing on my freedom of speech or for committing a hate crime.

I also think political correctness is impractical because you cannot please everyone.
In its present form, it rewards people that obey and punishes those that don’t.
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IMO, political correctness implies and is supported by various hypocrisies. A certain code of behavior and manner of speech when dealing with this group, another when dealing wth that group.
When taken to an extreme (and yes, I have sometimes been guilty of taking it to an extreme), that is true. However, political correctness as it has most often been practiced consists of equalizing social treatment of various groups, often in how our language refers to them. It resembles the golden rule. Political correctness works on the principle that you shouldn't do something if you would resent the equivalent being done to you. I don't agree with her on some issues, but I thought Gloria Steinem illustrated this point brilliantly when she wrote this:

Take language for instance. Many women feel invisible or aberrant when they are subsumed under a masculine term that is supposed to be universal; yet they are often made to feel trivial and nit-picking if they object. But look at it this way: Would a man feel included in “womankind?” Would he refer to himself as a “chairwoman”, “Congresswoman” or “Mr. Mary Smith”? If a male student earned a “Spinster of Arts” degree, and a “Mistress of Science”, or had to apply for a “Sistership” would he feel equal in academia? If men had grown up seeing God portrayed only as Mother and She, would they feel equal godliness within themselves?
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Suppose some black guys beat me up over my use of the word. I can’t exactly charge them with infringing on my freedom of speech or for committing a hate crime.
Actually, you could charge them with assault and battery. I specifically remember an African American basketball player getting in trouble with the law for hitting a white fan who used that epithet against him.

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In its present form, it rewards people that obey and punishes those that don’t.
This is more of your persecution complex. Who is punishing you? You have written things here that were discriminatory (not merely politically incorrect), yet no one has arrested you. I wrote this to Dave, and I am writing it to you: If you don't like political correctness, don't be politically correct. No one is forcing you to be politically correct, but I think you would like to imagine that someone is just so that you can feel like a victim.
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IMO, political correctness implies and is supported by various hypocrisies. A certain code of behavior and manner of speech when dealing with this group, another when dealing wth that group.
When taken to an extreme (and yes, I have sometimes been guilty of taking it to an extreme), that is true. However, political correctness as it has most often been practiced consists of equalizing social treatment of various groups, often in how our language refers to them. It resembles the golden rule. Political correctness works on the principle that you shouldn't do something if you would resent the equivalent being done to you. I don't agree with her on some issues, but I thought Gloria Steinem illustrated this point brilliantly when she wrote this:

Take language for instance. Many women feel invisible or aberrant when they are subsumed under a masculine term that is supposed to be universal; yet they are often made to feel trivial and nit-picking if they object. But look at it this way: Would a man feel included in “womankind?” Would he refer to himself as a “chairwoman”, “Congresswoman” or “Mr. Mary Smith”? If a male student earned a “Spinster of Arts” degree, and a “Mistress of Science”, or had to apply for a “Sistership” would he feel equal in academia? If men had grown up seeing God portrayed only as Mother and She, would they feel equal godliness within themselves?
In Spanish and Italian, the words you are referring to are feminine in that use. In other words, they would refer to a woman. In the plural or mixed company, the masculine is used to cover all bases. In the singular, the gender of the person in question decides the form. Most English words do not have masculine and feminine forms.

In one class I took in college, the professor(essa? ) forbade the use of the word "native".We were to say "member of the indigenous population." I wasn't buying' that load of hooey anymore then than I am now. She asked me to leave the class with a guaranteed B. I refused, stayed and she marked me down to a C+. I always gave her a big smile whenever I saw her after that - just to let her know that not everyone can be punked into buying a load of nothing.

People these days are too delicate, sensitive and fragile. If words, that are not meant to be offensive, offend you... if you feel the need to read meaning into each and every word in the language, so that you'll have something to gripe about... there are people who will feed on you. I know, because I used to be one of the predators. Now I don't really care. But I'll still bust people on the job who try to pull this silliness... LONG after the incident is over.
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I also think political correctness is impractical because you cannot please everyone.
In its present form, it rewards people that obey and punishes those that don’t.
It establishes different codes and standards of behavior for different people, classes of people, races, religions and genders.

My Logics professor used to task us with a game called "Substitution" as we debated standards of social behavior. It was a cute, simple test for hypocrisy that involved playing the flipside. I think you'll find that people will always have a reason or excuse for their hypocrisy, but if their agrgument fails the "Substitution" test, it's still hypocritical.
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It establishes different codes and standards of behavior for different people, classes of people, races, religions and genders.
In other words, it discriminates.
I don’t think you will see them use that word.
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IMO, political correctness implies and is supported by various hypocrisies. A certain code of behavior and manner of speech when dealing with this group, another when dealing wth that group.
When taken to an extreme (and yes, I have sometimes been guilty of taking it to an extreme), that is true. However, political correctness as it has most often been practiced consists of equalizing social treatment of various groups, often in how our language refers to them. It resembles the golden rule. Political correctness works on the principle that you shouldn't do something if you would resent the equivalent being done to you. I don't agree with her on some issues, but I thought Gloria Steinem illustrated this point brilliantly when she wrote this:

Take language for instance. Many women feel invisible or aberrant when they are subsumed under a masculine term that is supposed to be universal; yet they are often made to feel trivial and nit-picking if they object. But look at it this way: Would a man feel included in “womankind?” Would he refer to himself as a “chairwoman”, “Congresswoman” or “Mr. Mary Smith”? If a male student earned a “Spinster of Arts” degree, and a “Mistress of Science”, or had to apply for a “Sistership” would he feel equal in academia? If men had grown up seeing God portrayed only as Mother and She, would they feel equal godliness within themselves?
In Spanish and Italian, the words you are referring to are feminine in that use. In other words, they would refer to a woman. In the plural or mixed company, the masculine is used to cover all bases. In the singular, the gender of the person in question decides the form. Most English words do not have masculine and feminine forms.
That is irrelevant even if it is correct. You didn't address the point Steinem made about the English language. Would the wording Steinem used to invert our language's traditions offend you? Would it bother you if humanity were referred to as "womankind"? Would it bother you if you were in Congress and regularly called a "Congresswoman"? If you were married, would it bother you to be called by your wife's name? How about being a "Spinster of Arts", a "Mistress of Science" or being part of a "sistership"? Would it bother you if everyone referred to God exclusively as "She"? If the answer is yes to any of these questions, then to be fair you have to recognize the truth in what Steinem wrote.
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