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Old 05-21-2004, 06:20 PM
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I briefly heard the FBI report (I think) about possible suicide bombings in the U.S. They had said that there weren't any clues suggesting that an attack was imminent but that it a possibility to the future. I was listening to steve mulsberg (correct spelling?) on conservative 770 am radio last night. Oddly I agreed with him when he said that he's suprised there hasn't been a bombing of this sort yet on U.S. soil. It is a scary reality that in this world people would wish to carry out such attacks on our nation. And it as scary to think we would like to do the same to others, while not in the form of suicide bomb. However I didn't enjoy the twisting that seemed to be going on. It seems that conservative radio is trying to use 9/11 and the possibities of further attacks to drive on the notion that as Americans we should be pro-Israeli as possible. Radio hosts will say things such as, "Unfortunately a time may come when we feel how Israel feels." The difference is we haven't been occupying Al Qaeda for 37 years and Al Qaeda doesn't have a specified land, rather their energy is based on religion. So this easy comparison to Al Qaeda and affiliates, to the suicide bombings in Israel is a whole lot of spin, a handful of propaganda and a fear tactic to paint the Palestinian people as the aggressors rather then the receivers of isolation and brutatlity. The patriot that I am, I will send a final message to the neocons and hard line Israeli supporters, don't be afraid of what has happened on 9/11, we must regroup and preservere. Using our tragedy as a reason to further the brutality of innocent people 6000 miles away is a slap in the face to the victims and their families of 9/11 and joining the two is just plain wrong.

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Im wondering why there hasn't been a attack on the U.S. yet considering how easy it is. Even I can make a decent bomb.
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Old 05-26-2004, 02:01 PM
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I briefly heard the FBI report (I think) about possible suicide bombings in the U.S. They had said that there weren't any clues suggesting that an attack was imminent but that it a possibility to the future. I was listening to steve mulsberg (correct spelling?) on conservative 770 am radio last night. Oddly I agreed with him when he said that he's suprised there hasn't been a bombing of this sort yet on U.S. soil. It is a scary reality that in this world people would wish to carry out such attacks on our nation. And it as scary to think we would like to do the same to others, while not in the form of suicide bomb. However I didn't enjoy the twisting that seemed to be going on. It seems that conservative radio is trying to use 9/11 and the possibities of further attacks to drive on the notion that as Americans we should be pro-Israeli as possible. Radio hosts will say things such as, "Unfortunately a time may come when we feel how Israel feels." The difference is we haven't been occupying Al Qaeda for 37 years and Al Qaeda doesn't have a specified land, rather their energy is based on religion. So this easy comparison to Al Qaeda and affiliates, to the suicide bombings in Israel is a whole lot of spin, a handful of propaganda and a fear tactic to paint the Palestinian people as the aggressors rather then the receivers of isolation and brutatlity. The patriot that I am, I will send a final message to the neocons and hard line Israeli supporters, don't be afraid of what has happened on 9/11, we must regroup and preservere. Using our tragedy as a reason to further the brutality of innocent people 6000 miles away is a slap in the face to the victims and their families of 9/11 and joining the two is just plain wrong.

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You include many enticing thoughts , and for what it's worth I'd like to add my two cents worth. First,."knee jerk" support for any policy is wrong, we all have brains that is what they're for. Second ,we need to understand what events brought us to this point, to be able to view events from both perspectives .
The Arab/Israeli conflict has been and continues to be a great source of friction. However it should not be forgotten what events occurred to arrive at this point or who the victims of those decisions are. My view is that in 1948 the Palestinian people could have joined in the negotiations that dealt with the last remnants of the Ottoman Empire and had a state of their own. In the aftermath of that war the Egyptians and Jordanians rather than annexing the Palestinian Territories could have established a Palestinian state . Due to massive miscalculations and errors on the part of Pres. Nasser and his lieutenants, as well as a Soviet attempt to create a crisis, the '67 six day war was thrust upon us. The tensions and acts of war were the responsibility of President Nasser. The Palestinian people have paid the greatest price of anyone , and continue to pay because of the use of terrorism as a tool of foreign policy by those who claim to act in their name. Further it is my understanding that during the treaty negotiations with Egypt and Jordan that it was requested that the annexed territories be included as part of a final agreement.This was refused.I believe this situation has perpetuated itself due to the attitude of a powerful few who still hold out hope of destroying Israel once and for all. I believe that the evidence for this is the current intifada itself, coming directly on the heels of what was by all accounts very nearly a final agreement, and made continuing the talks impossible.
I don't take into account the treatment of those in the occupied territories, which is not how any of us would want to live. However we also have another occupied territory in the region that nobody seems to want to talk about and that is Lebanon. Why? The only way to resolve the situation in the region will be to confront terrorism as a tool of diplomacy, end the occupation of ALL territories,and end the subjugation of ALL peoples in the region( Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian-just a start).
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I briefly heard the FBI report (I think) about possible suicide bombings in the U.S. They had said that there weren't any clues suggesting that an attack was imminent but that it a possibility to the future. I was listening to steve mulsberg (correct spelling?) on conservative 770 am radio last night. Oddly I agreed with him when he said that he's suprised there hasn't been a bombing of this sort yet on U.S. soil. It is a scary reality that in this world people would wish to carry out such attacks on our nation. And it as scary to think we would like to do the same to others, while not in the form of suicide bomb. However I didn't enjoy the twisting that seemed to be going on. It seems that conservative radio is trying to use 9/11 and the possibities of further attacks to drive on the notion that as Americans we should be pro-Israeli as possible. Radio hosts will say things such as, "Unfortunately a time may come when we feel how Israel feels." The difference is we haven't been occupying Al Qaeda for 37 years and Al Qaeda doesn't have a specified land, rather their energy is based on religion. So this easy comparison to Al Qaeda and affiliates, to the suicide bombings in Israel is a whole lot of spin, a handful of propaganda and a fear tactic to paint the Palestinian people as the aggressors rather then the receivers of isolation and brutatlity. The patriot that I am, I will send a final message to the neocons and hard line Israeli supporters, don't be afraid of what has happened on 9/11, we must regroup and preservere. Using our tragedy as a reason to further the brutality of innocent people 6000 miles away is a slap in the face to the victims and their families of 9/11 and joining the two is just plain wrong.

Remi
You include many enticing thoughts , and for what it's worth I'd like to add my two cents worth. First,."knee jerk" support for any policy is wrong, we all have brains that is what they're for. Second ,we need to understand what events brought us to this point, to be able to view events from both perspectives .
The Arab/Israeli conflict has been and continues to be a great source of friction. However it should not be forgotten what events occurred to arrive at this point or who the victims of those decisions are. My view is that in 1948 the Palestinian people could have joined in the negotiations that dealt with the last remnants of the Ottoman Empire and had a state of their own. In the aftermath of that war the Egyptians and Jordanians rather than annexing the Palestinian Territories could have established a Palestinian state . Due to massive miscalculations and errors on the part of Pres. Nasser and his lieutenants, as well as a Soviet attempt to create a crisis, the '67 six day war was thrust upon us. The tensions and acts of war were the responsibility of President Nasser. The Palestinian people have paid the greatest price of anyone , and continue to pay because of the use of terrorism as a tool of foreign policy by those who claim to act in their name. Further it is my understanding that during the treaty negotiations with Egypt and Jordan that it was requested that the annexed territories be included as part of a final agreement.This was refused.I believe this situation has perpetuated itself due to the attitude of a powerful few who still hold out hope of destroying Israel once and for all. I believe that the evidence for this is the current intifada itself, coming directly on the heels of what was by all accounts very nearly a final agreement, and made continuing the talks impossible.
I don't take into account the treatment of those in the occupied territories, which is not how any of us would want to live. However we also have another occupied territory in the region that nobody seems to want to talk about and that is Lebanon. Why? The only way to resolve the situation in the region will be to confront terrorism as a tool of diplomacy, end the occupation of ALL territories,and end the subjugation of ALL peoples in the region( Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian-just a start).
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Old 05-27-2004, 06:31 AM
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I personally am not afraid of possible suicide bombings in the U.S. and here is why: in Nazi Germany what did people do for recreation, Im talking the middle/upper class Nazi party conformists, they attended art expositions,sporting events, plays and theatrical performances.
The Nazi Party had a Grand Utopian vision, and the people who followed this vision participated in such aforementioned events, these are the high profile targets that stick out like a turd in the punch bowl, americans can do their part in fighting terrorism by not attending these stupid social gatherings
,instead I would suggest all americans purchase a high powered assault style rifle and a case of beer and go out to the boonys and do some shooting, its alot more fun, trust me!
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