So you want to affirmative action in todays world of race mixing. Answer me this then. Why is a person who has one white parent and one black parent considered black? Then if this child marries a white person, their child is 1/4 black but still is considered black.

Now I once knew a Canadian who came down to the U.S. to work. He wasn't a U.S. citizen but had a green card or whatever it is called. Under the laws he was considered a minority and offered a management position and he was white. Didn't matter he was a minority on the Government reports the company had to send in.

I'll give you another example of why affirmative action is a total fraud. I once worked for a company that was big. It was like one of the top 20 compamies in the country. When affirmative action first came out the big deal was getting black men in the company to get the government quotas. That lastest for a couple of years until the women movement took over.

So these big shots at the top of the food chain had to find some women. Well these big shots were already making six figures and decided that they would just get the little old lady at home hired. It was no problem since most of these big shots met their wives at Harvard or Yale so their wives also had degrees from these universities. So now you had the husband and wife pulling down 2 salaries making six figures apiece. Of course the wives were put in managements positions that didn't amount to anything.

I can remember one of these women was put over a department called "The Suggestion Committee. She had a full staff. If anyone in the company had a suggestion that would help the company it went through these people to decide what was a good idea. If they accepted your idea you got a cash prize, usually a couple of thousand dollars, which was not too bad back in those days when a dollar was worth more. It didn't matter she had no clue what the grunts actually did. One day I was reading a company news magazine and went to look at who had won some money and got physically ill reading how this women was awarded money for her suggestion.

WTF the women who runs the department wins some money from her own department? In the article it explained that since it was her idea she took herself out of the voting for who would win. Like the employees under her would vote against her. To top it off her idea was some ridiculous crap about how to file papers in a more efficent manner. Total BS

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No that's not the point at all. The point is the government didn't care what the women was hired for as long as a certain percent of the entire work force was female. She could have been a janitor for all they cared. My point is that AA is supposed to help the oppressed. This program only helped the rich and whites for all I could tell. There were a few true minorities and oppressed helped I suppose but the majority in this AA program were already well to do.

Yeah, rota's actually right on this one. The biggest group to benefit from AA is white women. The second is the white men who marry them.
The poor people who AA is supposed to benefit from need help at the primary school level and in the development of the communities their stuck in. AA is a patch that's not there to do anything but look pretty to minority voters... and the result is a terrible backlash.

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No that's not the point at all. The point is the government didn't care what the women was hired for as long as a certain percent of the entire work force was female. She could have been a janitor for all they cared. My point is that AA is supposed to help the oppressed. This program only helped the rich and whites for all I could tell. There were a few true minorities and oppressed helped I suppose but the majority in this AA program were already well to do.[/quote]

That is what I said at the beginning of this thread. The problem with AA is hasn't helped the people that it was designed too, so the problem is not AA it is like many other programs in this country they do not help the people that they were designed too. Peace.

is the directive of the court for the implementation of affirmative action inititives in the federal sector.
however, the majority, which controls most mechanisms of government, has instead adulterated the programs intended to assist those who compete on a playing field that remains far from level.
an example already cited is the allowance of women, who have no ability to manage a company, to receive 51% ownership from their husbands so that the now woman-owned firm qualifies for AA benefits. hardly narrowly tailored. in fact, the data used to determine in which of the business sectors women and minorities actually sustain a disadvantage has not been revisited since AA was "mended, not ended" during the clinton administration. there is no process established to qualify the data and no agency assigned to see that narrow tailoring happens. it is easier to both oppose AA and exploit the way it is implemented than to actually assist those who should be entitled to the advantage of an AA program.
a more insidious, and more nuanced, corruption of the AA mechanism is the way regulations are written to implement the law. the law can be well intended and well crafted by the congress, but the appointed bureaucrats at the top of the federal agencies are in charge of writing the implementing regulations. here is where the manipulation happens. a company certified for AA benefits can now form a mentor-protegee agreement with an established company (like halliburton). then that minority/woman-owned company and the large mentoring company can joint venture. that of itself would not appear to be a problem. but it is. because now the big company gets to perform contracts that were ostensibly dedicated to be realized by the AA firms. that takes opportunities to receive government contracts away from the actually disadvantaged firms, since the large joint venture partner (mentor) winds up with most of the contract dollars.
some have asked, when will we know when we are truly color blind such that the AA programs will no longer be needed. legitimate question and one which deserves to be answered. the courts have already said this narrow tailoring is to be done, but no agency is evaluating where disadvantage in industry remains. that research is essential so that more than anecdotal opinions are used to assess where and/or whether AA programs remain needed.

Good information justabubba. I've never heard of those "mentor" programs but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. If the big corporations were really getting cut of of some of those big contracts they would be screaming bloody murder.

In fact I can see where having to go through a front AA company could even be beneficial to some of the top brass. More opportunities to divert some money into their own pockets.