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Old 05-15-2006, 04:34 PM
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1. Employers wouldn't hire the parents that need those services.
2. Substance abuse treatment is already provided. The problem is that a lot of the people in it don't take it seriously. They should only offer it to people who really are serious about it and willing to put up at least some kind of payment.
Well, if employers were banned from discriminating based on family status (perhaps they already are), they would be arrested if they refused to hire those parents. My second idea is that I would provide the very best rehabilitation- but only once. If a person didn't stop their substance abuse the first time, they would receive no further assistance. In fact, if both of those ideas were somehow successfully implemented (easier written than done), I think that welfare as we know it could be eliminated without hurting those in need- unless I'm missing critical facts.
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1. Too much regulation will hurt the economic climate for businesses. There has to be some other way.
2. Drug addicts typically need multiple chances. It's a rough road that requires a few lessons. But I think we should only focus on those that are serious, not those that go just to stay out of jail. And we should make them pay to show seriousness, even if just a little fee... perhaps more each time.
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My idea is that employers would ultimately, even from a selfish perspective, find hiring poor single parents in their interests because of the tax money they would save from the elimination of welfare. Moreover, aren't most people able to end substance abuse the first time they try if they go to a well-run rehabilitation center (like the ones celebrities go to)?
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Depends on whether it's a full-time merit job or a crappy temp part-time one like I've got. In addition, another job I have is probably more common than that: caregivers who get paid minimum wage and get no benefits andf need multiple clients to get full time hours. Thankfully I've got three jobs.
Wow Java you truely are amazing. You work three government jobs and still find time to post all day long on an internet forum. Maybe if you did your job you are being paid to do instead of surfing the net all day, we wouldn't have so many welfare scumbags.

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And while there is a tendency for bureaucracies to go through great lengths to keep their size and funds and resist change, I have not seen any actions performed by any bureau that are done for the purpose of making problems worse..
Well just look at yourself surfing the net all day long instead of doing your job. I'd say that is a good example of trying to make the problems worse.

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You show your lack of experience in government bureaucracy by your assertions that departments are even corordinated well enough to set in motion such a conspiracy. You attribute to conspiracy what can easily be linked to the stupidity of bureaucracy...
Yeah sure Java you keep scamming the taxpayers, getting paid to surf the net all day long and I'll continue to complain about it.

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And when have you ever seen a welfare worker who's happy? Do you honestly believe someone would get a Master's degree in social work and become completely depressed and more disillusioned everyday... because it's such an easy way to make a living... Please.
Geez....Java what a whining crybaby you are. You get paid to surf the net all day long and have the nerve to complain about it.
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Rota, do you know how exhausting JavaBlack's schedule is? You want him to log off because you know you are losing a debate against him.
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Rota, do you know how exhausting JavaBlack's schedule is? You want him to log off because you know you are losing a debate against him.
Hey......I surf the net all day long too and sure it is exhausting but I'm not getting paid by the taxpayers to do it under the pretex of helping the poor. Big difference.
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Rota, do you know how exhausting JavaBlack's schedule is? You want him to log off because you know you are losing a debate against him.
Hey......I surf the net all day long too and sure it is exhausting but I'm not getting paid by the taxpayers to do it under the pretex of helping the poor. Big difference.
He has at least three jobs and has to take care of his mother and stepfather, who are both blind. Ad hominem side steps are a clear sign of a weak argument.
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He has at least three jobs and has to take care of his mother and stepfather, who are both blind. Ad hominem side steps are a clear sign of a weak argument.
Yeah sure...this is the internet and I could just as easily make up a sob story.

I'm a veteran from the mean streets of Detroit. I was mugged and shot numerous times. Both my legs are gone. Both arms completley blown away. I can only post here tapping my keyboard with a pencil hanging out of my mouth. My only protection was my dog who was stolen last week by some illegal Somolian aliens who ate the poor mutt.

Anytime I want to go somewhere I have to roll around like a ball, flapping my nubs like a wounded platypus on crack. Please don't feel sorry for me as I am a survivor and will manage somehow.
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He has at least three jobs and has to take care of his mother and stepfather, who are both blind. Ad hominem side steps are a clear sign of a weak argument.
Yeah sure...this is the internet and I could just as easily make up a sob story.
I've known JavaBlack a lot longer than you. He is telling the truth. He is a very honest, conscientious person.
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I've known JavaBlack a lot longer than you. He is telling the truth. He is a very honest, conscientious person.
Ohhhhhh..........very impressive.
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