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Old 05-19-2006, 05:49 AM
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In my opinion living off the dole is a more ethical way of living than allot of jobs you can get in the rest right now. Marketing, telesales, retail etc. There all not just a waste of labour and unnecessary but also ripping of workers and in the case of marketing and telesales there very very irritating.
I can not agree with that, even for a second. All work that does not involve harming others is more honest than not working

And recieving the dole, when you are capable of working is wrong - period.

No comparisons, no excuses its wrong

I accept it is your opinion but I do not agree with it

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Here's some very simple maths for why we need welfare:

The number of people unemployed in Britian: 1.2 mil
The number of job shortages in Britian: 200,000

That means if everyone was perfectly educated and everyone did want to work and was actively seeking it that the'd be 1 million people that still wouldn't be able to find work. That's 1 million people who will have no source of income and no way to get out of it. That's 1 million people your putting a death sentence on.
Non-sense

First, of all the amount of "job shortages" never reflects the amount of jobs that could be filled. Job shortages mean jobs that must be filled - that does not include the millions of pub jobs, jobs at McDonald's ect

But, even if the numbers did reflect all jobs that would still not mean much because a lot of those unemployed people are married or partners of people who are employed. That is perfectly normal

Stating it is a death sentence is also a gross exaggeration because, as we have already pointed out if the tax burden was removed people would help others out of charity. History has proven that over and over

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Force, you can't force single parents to work. In my opinion looking after a child is a job and a parent wants to stay home and look after it you shouldn't be able to force the parent to give that baby into the arms of a stranger for 40 hours a week.
No one is forcing them to do anything - its a choice

We are talking about personal choice that is the entire issue

If they are single parents that happened by a series of choices. Choices they now have to take responsibility for instead of the government forcing the responsibility on others

And they can work - there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking them to work and provide for themselves, in fact that is exactly what should be happening

Its wrong to take from others to provide them with a means to support themselves. More so when you consider a large percentage of the people paying the taxes used to pay their way are single parents themselves
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Old 05-19-2006, 06:33 AM
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It's very hard for me to have any sympathy for most poor people. I can remember when I was in school how many of the kids never took it seriously and caused so much trouble that it was hard for the kids that wanted to learn to do so. I know they figured school was free and it wasn't coming out of their pockets. Even though they paid for school through taxes the way it's set up the illusion that it is free is what is so bad. If the parents had to write a check out every month they might look at it a little differently.

Anyway these kids grow up and then can't get a decent job to support their families and raise hell at society demanding training and educating. So now they want schooling when they pissed the other schooling down the toilet. They expect society to pay s times because of their and their parents stupidity.

I can tell you another reason they don't take it seriously. It seems like many black kids have it in their heads that they are somehow going to beat the odds and become a basketball or football star. Lets see, from grade school to middle school maybe only 3/4 of the basketball players move up. From middle school to high school maybe only 1/2 of those move up. From High school to colledge only 1/20 move up. From colledge to proffessional only 1/100 move up. Someone is letting these kids down not telling them that a proffsssional career is a long shot at best and schooling is their best chance to succeed.
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There are a few things to consider.
People learn only through what they are taught or what they experience.
If they are taught garbage, that is all they know other than experience. It will shape their every experience. It will require a lot of either counter-teaching or counter-experience to fix the damage that garbage-teaching does.
Without teaching, most experience is mistakes. If your mistakes (*)(*)(*)(*) you forever, then what you've learned is pointless. But also, learning from experience is to a great extent contingent on learning to learn- something that is most efficiently taught rather than experienced. Though to a certain extent, experience is necessary to back up what is taught.
The solution to the problem is to keep people from being taught garbage.
But it is also true that people who were taught garbage can be redeemed. Ignorance is a curable disease.

It is also naive to think that the ignorance that abounds in uneducated communities does not have a larger effect on society as a whole. It does. And it also spreads unless it is countered through some kind of action.
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Uneducated people are not a problem for a society

They do not improve it but they do not necessarily harm it so long as they are gainfully employed. And if it could be argued that if they are capable of doing a job they are educated - just not in the way some people would want them to be

For example, farmers are generally very intelligent and know a great deal about growing crops and mechanics. But, most people would consider farmers uneducated - I would say they are more educated than many people who would a PHD because not only do they have knowledge of the subject they are educated in, they put it to use, sometimes many people with PHD's do not do

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The uneducated people are not the problem

People without morals are the problem - and it is not up to the government to get involved with that issue
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