This War Is Real
Recently I have developed an interest in politics and world affairs. I’ve been watching all kinds information about the war in Iraq and terrorist threatening our country. I thought I had it all figured out and had come to the conclusion that we (Americans) are safe. Then I received an e-mail That has made me come to reality and see through the fog in front of my face. The subject of this e-mail read “THIS WAR IS REAL!” and It could not be more true.
After reading this E-mail, written by a source that has yet to be tracked down, I have come to realize that America is not safe. We, America, are facing a threat that could and, if not eliminated, will destroy our country. Most think that America was first attacked on 9/11, but really America has been under attack since 1979. There have been attacks on our country 11 times in the last 22 years, and an additional 7,581 in the world. All of which were committed by Muslim Terrorist (radicals). I don’t have anything against Regular Muslims that don’t harm people but the Terrorists have one mission, and that is to Kill all infidels and all that sand in the way of there mission.
These “extremists” are organized, smart, and most of all united together in a cause that they believe so firmly in they are willing to kill themselves for. They are fighting a country, that is organized, smart, stronger, bigger, and united. But are we realy united against destroying what has set out to destroy us. We Americans are not united, we ar constantly looking for someone to put he blame on, Bush, Clinton, or any other of the possible thing we could blame these attacks on. What does that accomplish, absolutely nothing, it just divides us more, which is exactly what the terrorists want. We need to come together, conservative and liberal, republican and demarcate, and put our differences aside or else we will not win this war. Some will ask, “Can we really loose this war?” Yes we can, just look at Spain, they have lost, they gave in to the terrorist demands as soon as they were hit. Spain will do whatever the terrorists that hold that country hostage tell I to. And if we loose it will no be like Vietnam where we just walk away and say, “o to bad,” we will loose our way of life, we would not be the most powerful country in the world, we will be under even more rapid, more devastating attacks, until eventually we are nothing but beaten and have no other choice but to give up our freedom.
The Terrorists are completely committed to winning the war at and, because they know what is at stake here. The only way for us to win is if we put all of our efforts into stopping this takeover, not 80%, but 100% of our efforts. If we do not want to become like all of the other Muslim nations of the world we must unite. There isn’t one Muslim nation in the world that allows half the freedoms we are guaranteed here in America. That is exactly what would happen to us if we do no stop this impending threat
We need to stop arguing over all this politically correct nonsense, do what needs to be done, and say what needs to be said. Our media, and our country makes a huge deal and completely condemns and punishes soldiers that humiliating the terrorist prisoners, HUMIATING THEM! When just before these prisoners were put into jail they were burning American captives, tying their charred corpuses to cars and dragging them through the streets, or beheading them on camera and sending it back to us so hat the families of the soldiers will relies what they are capable of. What the terrorists don’t know is what a united America is capable of . All of the attacks against our country were committed by Middle Eastern Muslim men between the ages of 17 and 40, I think it is time we pushed aside political correctness and implemented the use of common sense. That would also give us one less thing to be divided upon, and narrow down the search for the terrorist.
Democracies do not have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead they Implode, and give there freedoms away one politically correct peace at a time. We do not owe it to ourselves to save his country; we owe it to our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and all the other unborn Americans that deserve the same freedoms our four-fathers fought for and gave us. United we stand, Divided we fall.

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"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." -V

Sorry to break the news to you like this but we already lost the war the day they trashed the Constitution and Bill of Rights to keep us safe from these boogy men.

But even if we had not already lost do you seriously think we have the resources to fight half the worlds population in a never ending action against a endless list of Arab countries who Israel doesn't particularly like? If you feel so strongly about it go join the military and fight them. Did it ever occur to you that if we just moved all our military back home and minded our own business we wouldn't have to worry about all that?

Do you or do you not feel that the U.S. has the right to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries no matter how bad they are if we have no proof they have done anything to us?

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1st - If i was old enough to join he army i would but im not so i cant but i do want to enlist in the armed forces when i am of age.

2nd- We are not fighting other countries we are keeping our own country safe, by fighting muslim extremist that live in other countries. We are not fighting half the worlds population because the majority of the muslim people are not extremists and many of them may even denounce the actions off these "extremists."

3rd- we do have proof that these terrorist did do something to us, do you not recall what happend to us on september 11th. Or are you one of those people that belive all that www.loosechange.com stuff. We are not interfering with other countries business, just those who live within their borders.

4th- we havn't lost the war, but we can and we will if people like you don't realize what will happen to us if we lose.

-last- even if we shouldnt have gone over there, we did, and now we cant just leave those innocent people and let them be consumed by those extremists. They are attacking not only the military, but the people who live thier as well,(other muslims). That would make thing alot worse. I for one think that when you start something that you should finish it , i guess my moral standards are a little to high.

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"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." -V

rota, et.al Can you not see the uselessness of your postion? The entire reason we have now to deal with these murderous terroist is because we ignored them all through out the 90s. I once, a long time ago, was an isolationist but have seen the error of that view. You need to understand that these muslum terroist have a goal. They have a plan. Their goal, their plan is to KILL YOU and everyone else that does not believe the way they do. They are going to continue toward that goal regardless of what we do or don't do. It is a certainty that if we do nothing, as you suggest, they will simply achieve their goal sooner. We have NO choice but to destroy them before they destroy us. This fight WILL happen the only questions being where will it take place, and who will win.
I say, and most Americans agree, that it should take place in Iraq and Afganistan, rather then in the US, and that WE MUST WIN!

Well good luck fellows. Whenever you figure out whats really going on you can join me back here fighting the real enemy. I'll hold the fort down here while you guys go on your Don Quixote mission.

aaaah the terrorists are gonna get us!!!! run for the hills!!! they're everywhere and threat our lives!!!!

dude, I cant even begin to count the number of my personal rights have been trampled on! you're so right!

yea, cause the Israelis are like so out to get rid of every Arab nation! its like so obvious!

clearly, cause the terrorists had nothing against us before 9/11!

Let us see just one example of a "right" that you have lost due to something President Bush has done!
Yey, the terrorist had nothing against us before 9/11 they just committed the first World Trade Center bombing, the Cole, and the dozen other attacks on the US or it's interest before 9/11 just for the fun of it.
You do not win a war by setting around watching your enemy get stronger. President Bush started no war, he responded to the war that was started on us and to the threats, which we must take serious, the terrorist have made many times that they will destroy the US and all nations which do not bend to their point of view and surrender to them.
There is, and always has been, only ONE way to win a war, by complete, total, victory. Nothing short will do. We will win despite the aiders and abettors within our own country and their help to our enemies.

I just posted those in another thread and am to lazy to go find which one or waste my time making a new one only for another person to come along tommorrow and ask for a new list.

"The Terrorist"? Whenever you figure out who these people are and where they are at, please let Bush know about it.

Do you think we might be at risk when every Tom, Dick, Pedro and Harry can walk across our borders anytime the feel like it or should I not worry about that?

Well Bush's people said it would take as long as 50 years if not longer so who knows who will be around then to see it. Hopefully we won't get into any other problems with other nations or people in the next 50 years and have to fight two wars at the same time. Have we ever gone more than fifty years without getting into a war? I'm not sure about that but it sure seems like thats are average per war.

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It is true that the government can listen to me talking on the phone, but what do i have to hide? If the government can stop just one terrorist attack by this "evesdropping" then some lives have been saved, maybe even your own.

where is the post that tells of all the rights we are denied here in america. I am interested and would like to read it.

the actual article that i summerized above can be found at this link
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/chong.asp
disregard the speculation about who wrote it , what matters that it was written and it makes a lot of sense

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"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." -V

Depends.
hat if the government begins to shove too many resources into eavesdropping and actually gets to the point where they are eavesdropping on all Americans? I know you don't care about what this means for privacy, but think about it in economic terms. Ever heard of opportunity cost?
Part of research and data collecting for security purposes is deciding which information sources are the most useful for getting good information and focusing on those sources. Wasting any amount of time on your calls to relatives across the sea is not only a waste of their time and your tax dollars- it's a waste of time and tax dollars that could have been used on a better intelligence source.
At the same time, intelligence gathering is similar to the world of finance in that one must diversify. The more we focus on phone calls, the less we can focus on intelligence gathered in the field or from documents or from anything else.
So if the government is to be allowed to eavesdrop, it's important to set guidelines as to what they should be using time on. It better be something (*)(*)(*)(*) suspicious.
Alternatively they can spend even more money on a larger intelligence bureaucracy so that they have enough analysts to cover all the info and we can always hope that somehow it all gets reconciled at the higher level with minimal confusion. I guess then at least I could find a full-time job.

When did we decide that this wiretapping was necessary? There is no real evidence to show that wiretapping would have prevented 9/11.
How many terrorist attacks on us were successful before 9/11? Not many. Care to guess how many were thwarted by our intelligence agencies? One failure and suddenly they're completely incompetent and we need to alter everything.
I can go with the changes that actually connect to why 9/11 wasn't thwarted: more ability to share information between agencies. Good idea.
But another problem was all the noise that kept intelligence agencies from focusing on the right information. Adding more to the noise is not going to help. It's going to make the situation worse.

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That information is classified and to be given only on a need-to-know basis...

And I do not need to know.