The problem you're focusing on is the general short-sightedness that is a side effect of democracy.
Before the liberals created some problems, they solved problems artially created by conservatives. Conservatives follow suit. Each problem solved creates a new one... or in most cases problems are not really solved or created.
Name a point in American history when there were no problems. If you can, there is something wrong with your thinking.
Despite that, the short-sightedness associated with democracy is justified by the freedom it allows.

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JavaBlack wrote: "Frankly I find it funny that the rabid cons will yell "states rights!" but then consistently attack California for leftist politics. So California is leftist? Don't live there if you don't like it. And leftists shouldn't live in Utah if they're that worried about it."
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Not living in California would be fine if it were not for the fact that what they do there ALWAYS ends up being implemented or at least considered in many other states. California is not in some kind of isolation. Just like the US is not.
Knowing that what happens in California will permeate through out the US it is valid to speak up against it now, regardless of what state one may live in.

JaveBlack wrote: "Still, the thing I find most humorous about a lot of the posts here is that: one Democrat says or does something. Suddenly it's ALL Democrats who have that opinion."
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Well I would agree with you here if we were talking about some democrat off the street. What we are talking about here is the elected LEADER of the democrat party who's job is to get their, the democrat parties, message out to the people. What HE says IS what the party stands for, believes in, and pursues. IF this is not true or the majority of democrats don't agree then they should rid themselves of him. As long as he is their LEADER it is appropriate and right to quote him as representing the democrat party.

JavaBlack wrote: "Dean's been known to go off on psycho emotional ramblings...."
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Democrats put him in the position he is in. Don't expect me to overlook ANYTHING he says.

JavaBlack wrote: "A majority of the Crat Party leaders pays little but lip service to the farleftists...."
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This is simply not true. The "far left" are the ones who HAVE set the democrat parties agenda. Just listen to those in power, and not only Dean, and it becomes very clear.

JavaBlack wrote: "Say I start an organization dedicated to the advocacy of fisherman's rights..."
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Of course not. But, it certainly WOULD advocate fisherman's rights. The ACLU was started to advocate communism. So like your fisherman's organization who advocated things related to fishing the ACLU advocates things related to communism. That is what it was created to do.

I don't and I'm not, so there. (*raspberry*)

Yeah. Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo and that wackazoid Koz fire up a few posts, and suddenly every Demo-lemming on the hemisphere is burbling the same swill, often down to the same phrasing. That's not mind-control, that's a mailing-list.

Those same "little baby cons" were hearing that stuff when John Quincy Adams was in short pants. But don't ever accuse liberals of talking red-meat fare, oh no. They save that for a Wellstone funeral, or Howard Dean's scream which ended a presidential run.

If San Fran Nan Pelosi is not the far left, if Harry Reid is not pushing very hard at the edge of far left (if not now become subsumed by it)---then who is?

Gore's an enviro-wacko alarmist, a Luddite savage who'd destroy global commerce at the drop of a whim. George Soros carries the Mother of All Checkbooks. Dems love Soros and ANSWER and the rest.

If that's not far left, what is?

Save time. Pick the most obvious choice.

If we try counting the ways Dems will scamper from success, the length of this thread could set forum history.

Quite true. A majority of Dems are frightened sheep who allowed their party to be highjacked by extremists, who in turn try to mask their crime by screaming the GOP does exactly the same.

The Dem religious alarmists are liars. We have less to fear from Christians than from communists, and we always shall. I see no Church of America on our evangelical horizon. If leftists prevail, I see First Church of the Glassy-Eyed Treehugger.

It's sure as hell working feverishly to look like one. Forget checking under the bed for Reds. Now they run the ACLU.

[quote="omegaman";p="247912"]superbadbrutha; Thanks for the response. Yes, you could be wrong and I am afraid that you are. First the republicans do NOT have complete unlimited control over this country.

Lets see, who controls the White House?

Who controls the Senate?

Who controls the House of Rep.?

Second the Democrat's have hardly lost all power. They, the democrats, seem to be able to stop judges, stop the tax cut from being permanent, stop any progress on Social Security, etc.

Other than his gay marriage amendment looks like Bush has pretty much done everything that he wanted to do without being stopped. The Republicans also hold the highest court in the land.

The problem is that the republicans say many things that are indeed correct but when it comes to implementing them, to defending them, they coward in a corner.

Sounds like a Republican shortcoming not the Democrats stopping them are the scared to weld the power they hold?

They are basically cowards with absolutely no back bone, with a few exceptions such as President Bush.

Really what has Bush done other than put this country in a war it shouldn't be in, but I guess that is an arguement for another day.

One other thing that I have tried to explain to a room full of people on several occasions is that what a president does, or congress does, more often than not, does not cause any visible effect to the general population at large for quite sometime, many times for years.

I agree, because it is going to take another president and congress to clean up this mess we are in right now.

The majority of the problems we have today were created during the 90s, and the rest since by republicans who have NO guts to fight for what is right.[/quote]

Don't know about you, but I did pretty good during the 90s, oh by the way Republicans have controlled Congress since uh about 1994.

So it easy to sit around and blame the party that is not or has not been in control for quite some time for all of America's ills. By the way before 1992 we had to straight Republican presidents, but that is right only Democrats and Liberals are destroying this country what a bunch of baloney. Peace.

superbadbrutha wrote:

"Lets see, who controls the White House?

Who controls the Senate?

Who controls the House of Rep.?
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Well the republicans are suppose to but the point is they don't. They have the majority but not complete control. Yes, the republicans can be blamed for being cowards but if the democrats were not doing everything in their power to stop ANYTHING President Bush tries to do it wouldn't matter, it would happen. Yes, I also agree that President Bush has done a lot, but the things I mentioned he has not yet been able to do, thanks to both parties, but the opposition of the democrats is the primary cause.

President Bush has ---

1) Removed the Taliban from power in Afghan, and Saddam from Iraq.
2) Caused enormous numbers of murderous terrorist to be killed or jailed, either way they are no danger to us anymore.
3) Gave ALL tax payers not one but two tax cuts.
4) Gave the elderly a prescription drug program the democrats have been talking (and that is all they have done) about for more than 2 decades.
5) Pointed out the dire problem with Social Security and provided a solution, which the democrats are of course against.
6) Has lead over the best economy since the Great Ronald Reagan.
7) Lowest interest rates in history.
Lowest inflation.
9) Lowest unemployment
10) Largest housing boom in American history, especially for first time home buyers.
11) Proposed and trying to get rid of the death tax something the democrats refuse to budge on.
12) Appointed 2 Supreme Court judges who should uphold the Constitution rather then rewrite it.
13) Defended America against our worse enemy since World War II.
14) Defends marriage and family
15) Believes in GOD and understand this importance in our government.
16) Says what he means and means what he says

The list goes on and on and on. Now YOU give me a list of the good things that Clinton did during his 8 year rain! ha ha, I realize that is an impossibility since a list, by definition, must be made up of at least 2 things.

Bushie has also given us

1) the largest increase in the budget deficit in US history
2) the biggest national debt in US history
3) the largest foreign debt in US history
4) the most expensive war in US history
5) the largest corporate subsidies in US history
6) the most expensive new entitlement program in US history

Getting the picture?

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot - french fries are fresh vegetables.

The Dems may suck, but the Reps suck even worse. At least in their current configuration. Whatever happened to small government? Whatever happened to fiscal responsibility? Whatever happened to oversight and accountability?

Gimme a gigantic f-in' break.....

If you are trying to claim that the incursion into Iraq costs more than World War II did, then you have completely disqualified yourself from all further debate. Go ahead and try to support your ridiculous claim.

What happened the fiscal responsibility? We didn't use enough electoral Clorox, and the Democrats and RINO trash kept spawning.

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nonsqtr wrote: "Bushie has also given us........."
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Well you must not be aware that war is expensive. President Bush did NOT start this war but MUST win it.
Let us see, when President Bush took office and during the first few years he had to deal with ----
1) A recession that had been going on for nearly a year when he took office.
2) The largest attack on the United States in our history.
3)Corporate scandals, which were going on all during the 90s.
4) Very disastrous hurricanes.

All this cost money, BIG money. I hope you don't suggest that we send troops to war on the cheap. Reduce the number of helicopters, fighter jets, give them plastic vehicles with no armor, set them up with used guns and ammo, etc. Or maybe he could have just wrote off New Orleans as a total loss. Or maybe he could have just kept silent about the crooks in big business like Clinton did.

It is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that with all this President Bush has still given us one of the best economies in the history of the US. Just what would be the cost if we were being attacked by terrorist every other day? I contend much, much higher!
I did not even mention that through out all this our President has had to put up with ludicrous, ridiculous, false attacks by the left wing nuts. President Bush deserves GREAT praise, thanks, and our support and prayer, not lying ridiculous attacks and accusations. President Bush has been treated awful by the democrats simply, and ONLY, because he won the election in 2000. This is what ALL the democrats complaints are really about. Revenge, at the expense of the American people. This is pitiful, sickening, and repulsive.

nonsqtr wrote: "Bushie has also given us........."
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Well you must not be aware that war is expensive. President Bush did NOT start this war but MUST win it.
Let us see, when President Bush took office and during the first few years he had to deal with ----
1) A recession that had been going on for nearly a year when he took office.
2) The largest attack on the United States in our history.
3)Corporate scandals, which were going on all during the 90s.
4) Very disastrous hurricanes.

All this cost money, BIG money. I hope you don't suggest that we send troops to war on the cheap. Reduce the number of helicopters, fighter jets, give them plastic vehicles with no armor, set them up with used guns and ammo, etc. Or maybe he could have just wrote off New Orleans as a total loss. Or maybe he could have just kept silent about the crooks in big business like Clinton did.

It is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING that with all this President Bush has still given us one of the best economies in the history of the US. Just what would be the cost if we were being attacked by terrorist every other day? I contend much, much higher!
I did not even mention that through out all this our President has had to put up with ludicrous, ridiculous, false attacks by the left wing nuts. President Bush deserves GREAT praise, thanks, and our support and prayer, not lying ridiculous attacks and accusations. President Bush has been treated awful by the democrats simply, and ONLY, because he won the election in 2000. This is what ALL the democrats complaints are really about. Revenge, at the expense of the American people. This is pitiful, sickening, and repulsive.