israel has said that it will not go in lebanon on a ground invasion after 13 israel soldiers were killed trying to do this.this is a strategic victory to hizbulloah.the hizbulloah has proved their metal in fightiung the most sophisticated army in the world which has the latest weapons from america.

This is exactly why there is no way for Israel to win. Exactly why there is no incentive for them NOT to resort to violence.

If Israel backs off, then people like you gloat and say that they are weak. If they dont back off, they are murderers and criminals.

No matter what they do you will attack them. So what incentive do they have to back off?

Your post is a perfect example of exactly why America backs Israel in the first place. They are willing to compromise. You are not.

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How is this good for the people of Lebanon?!
Hezbollah has shown Israel that fighting them head on is not a worthwhile risk... so now they will go on using less accurate techniques with potential to kill more civilians...

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the whole thing seems a giant *%#-up. Israel must have really miscalulated and Bush and co., too. They have participated in prisoner exchanges in the past and could have this time. What was the strategic value in destroying Lebanon's infrastructure, bombing civilians and making 20% of the population refugees?

Barney wonders how the U.N. did not know the extent of the arms in Hezbollah's possession: how did Israel not Know!?? Doesn't the U.S. have sophisticated satelites? Doesn't Israel have spies in Lebanon? Israel is apparently not interested in partaking in an extended ground offensive. What have they achieved by perpetrating collective punishment against the Lebanese? They have fertilized the hatred with many grieving families.

The tradeoff is between an open society, and complete isolation. It's a more serious version of the same thing we're dealing with over here, relative to immigration and all that. The isolation would be much more secure, and "in theory" we could lock down the borders and reduce the cross-border flow to a trickle, but that would be expensive in other terms, and in an ideal world that's not the direction we'd want to go. Unfortunately, it's not an ideal world. The balance in that tradeoff, keeps shifting, depending on conditions. And when you've got a mortal enemy knocking at your door, well....

I don't really see how a "buffer zone" is going to help Israel. At best, it's a temporary and only partially meaningful solution. But, maybe all sides will get a little breathing space, and time to consider what's really in their best interests. Hezbollah can't win, and everyone knows it. And Israel can't completely eliminate Hezbollah, but that's not necessarily the goal either. In this world, there will always be dangerous people, and there will always be heavily armed people. It would be far better if they didn't have any incentive to act out, but sometimes they want to blow your house down anyway.

And when those kinds of conditions exist, other people will try to take advantage of them. This latest tape from that madman Zawahiri, is a perfect example. He's declared his intention to build an Islamic state stretching from Spain to Iran, and I can guarantee you that the rest of the world will never let that happen. But the evil and insidious suggestion that it "could" happen, and it "should" happen, just based on his say-so, is patently ridiculous to most of us - however it does appeal to "some" people, and anyone who listens to that drivel then becomes a dangerous person in his or her own right.

This is why it's so vitally important for the Muslim world to control its own. As long as there is tacit support for atrocities, regardless of which side is doing them, the need to "control" will continue, and no one will benefit. In an ideal world, we'd all have lots of freedoms, but we won't get that until the killing stops. It's not a matter of who's right and who's wrong. It's a question of how to stop the killing now. It's going to take a much better person than a Nasrallah or an Olmert to make that happen. It's going to take the courage of someone like a Sadat or a Begin. Peace begins at the table, not on the battlefield. And it's not a matter of getting what you want, it's a question of reaching conditions that you can live with, and that both sides will respect because it's in their mutual interest to do so.

why do we have to compromise on the existace of an illegal state the jews are the people who troubled our honourable prophet jesus very much and yet we forgave them but not this time

Well, if you refuse to compromise, what do you expect them to do? What is their incentive NOT to resort to violence?

What would you do if an enemy would accept nothing short of your complete destruction? How would you yourself choose to deal with someone like that?

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Not much sign off backing off when they are attacking aid convoys.

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Israel is a fact. You'll have to get used to it. No amount of whining (or terrorism) on your part is going to change that.

But if you go around killing innocent civilians to make your point, then suddenly you've got a whole lot more enemies than just Israel.

Geez, I really wonder about people who seem to be under the mistaken impression that theirs is the only honorable religion.

Well it seems you were WRONG!

So Israel beat Hezbohlla, right?

I mean if it was a "Victory" for them when Israel was NOT going to invade, it MUST be a VICTORY for Israel now that they HAVE INVADED, right?!?!?!

Go Israel! Victory after Victory after Victory...

And nothing but defeat after defeat after defeat for these Radical Muslims!

Ya GOTTA LIKE IT!

I guess you are going to quit WHINING now that Israel IS going to GIVE YOU exactly what YOU SAY you want?!?!?!

Regards,
Gaar

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