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Old 08-06-2006, 12:02 AM
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a peaceful solution for the midle east

i have come up with this idea and a peaceful solution for the crisis in the world today.i would like to know your feddback on this especially the israelis.
well the call be ahmedinejad to wipe off israel will shed blood on both the sides-and my idea of emigrating the jews to america or europe is also not feasible-i have put myself in the foot of an ordinary israel to see what is posible-i am not superior to anyone here neither i am inferior to anyone here-the same blood runs in my veins that runs in the veins o other human beings and i breath the same air as u do so.this is what my religion has taught me.
this solution is not beause i think that israel cannot be defeated but because i believe that ISLAM teaches peace when there is no oppression on anyone.

the solution
1.jerusalem will be given up by the israelis to the palestinians-jerusalem as an entire city must be given up and not just the settlements and the government of israel can accomadate these jewish citizens anywhere else in israel-jerusalem contains our holy AL-AQSA mosque and we cannot and will never compromise on that-anything happens to it israel we be in a pool of blood.
2.christain and jewish pilgrims will be welcome in jerusalem but not the israeli army as was before the creation of israel
3.israel can retain its golan heights which it conuered from syria.
4.israeli army or police will not be there in jerusalem
5.israel will not atack or shell gaza and a permanent cease fire must exist between hamas and israel-hamas will agree to this if the holy city of jerusalem is handed over to them.
6.israel will not expand anymore or try to reoccupy jerusalem.
7.israel must facilitate the travel of people of gaza to west bank freely without creating trouble for them.
8.israel must give up it nuclear weapons if it wants iran to stop uranium enrichment otherwis i dont see that double standards are going to work

this is a solution that can bring peace between israel and palestine and in the whole world in general and in this way israelis and arabs can live side by side as brothers.


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Old 08-06-2006, 01:08 AM
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the solution
1.jerusalem will be given up by the israelis to the palestinians-jerusalem as an entire city must be given up and not just the settlements and the government of israel can accomadate these jewish citizens anywhere else in israel-jerusalem contains our holy AL-AQSA mosque and we cannot and will never compromise on that-anything happens to it israel we be in a pool of blood.
2.christain and jewish pilgrims will be welcome in jerusalem but not the israeli army as was before the creation of israel
3.israel can retain its golan heights which it conuered from syria.
4.israeli army or police will not be there in jerusalem
5.israel will not atack or shell gaza and a permanent cease fire must exist between hamas and israel-hamas will agree to this if the holy city of jerusalem is handed over to them.
6.israel will not expand anymore or try to reoccupy jerusalem.
7.israel must facilitate the travel of people of gaza to west bank freely without creating trouble for them.
8.israel must give up it nuclear weapons if it wants iran to stop uranium enrichment otherwis i dont see that double standards are going to work

this is a solution that can bring peace between israel and palestine and in the whole world in general and in this way israelis and arabs can live side by side as brothers.


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It won't happen...

1. Israel will not give up Jerusalem.
2. Israel will not give up their Nuclear Weapons.
3. Israel doesn't WANT to expand, they want the land they have, and no more or very little less, and Jerusalem is NOT up for negotiation.

My question to YOU is, what did the Muslim Countries "give up" in YOUR proposal? I see you have the Israeli's "giving up" quite a bit, so what is it the Muslims will "give up"?

Or is this only about what the Israeli's MUST give up in order for YOU to accept them?

Not real sure on how you "put yourself in an Israeli's place" to come to these suggestions, so what here was in "their" interest and not the Muslim's?

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Old 08-06-2006, 02:15 AM
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It won't happen...

1. Israel will not give up Jerusalem.
2. Israel will not give up their Nuclear Weapons.
3. Israel doesn't WANT to expand, they want the land they have, and no more or very little less, and Jerusalem is NOT up for negotiation.

My question to YOU is, what did the Muslim Countries "give up" in YOUR proposal? I see you have the Israeli's "giving up" quite a bit, so what is it the Muslims will "give up"?

Or is this only about what the Israeli's MUST give up in order for YOU to accept them?

Not real sure on how you "put yourself in an Israeli's place" to come to these suggestions, so what here was in "their" interest and not the Muslim's?

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see it is u who wants no peace now,i am just asking israel to give up jerusalem that it conquered in 1967 war-no peace till they give up jerusalem
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You almost "had" Jerusalem at one point, then the thieving corrupt Yassir Arafat chose to act in his own interests instead of the best interest of the Palestinian people. He could have had it all - statehood, land, sovereignty, but NO.... he chose instead to continue dumping international aid money into his personal bank account in France, which his widow is still living off of.

"There's no corruption in Islam".... LOL !!!

In my opinion, Jerusalem should become an international city, with equal access by all. There's no such thing as Holy Land. God only expects us to be the custodians of the land we rent from Him, he expects us to be good stewards and take care of His natural resources. And stupid people everywhere make the mistake of "claiming" the land for themselves.... why? Just because there's an acre or two where someone prayed, or someone died, or someone had a vision, thousands of years ago?

As far as Israel giving up nuclear weapons..... LOL !!!

There will be no peace until YOU recognize and respect Israel's right to exist. That has to be the first step. Until that happens, no progress can be made. Then the second step is, you have to police your own extremists. You can't allow a rag-tag group of unhappy people to simply lob missiles across the border whenever they feel like it. What would you do if that happened to you? IMO you should be grateful that Israel hasn't unleashed its full military capabilities "yet". In case you hadn't noticed, your vaunted Hezbollah group is being taken apart at the seams right now. Only two rockets out of every hundred reach their targets. Your anti-tank weapons only work half the time. And 90% of the bridges in Lebanon are gone, there's no way Iran will be able to re-supply them without the full knowledge and scrutiny of the Israelis. Let's face it, the more you pout and whine, the worse off it's going to be for you.

LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE.

That's a very simple idea. Once that happens, then the international community will be justified in calling Israel to task for its violations. But until that happens, Israel will always be able to use the excuse that they're being attacked.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11
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Giving up Jerusalem???????????? you do know it's occupied with mostly Jews right? I mean half the Jews disagree about dividing it to east and west,no one wants to give up the ancient city,and you want us to give the capitol?????????45% Of Eastern Jerusalem is 45% jewish! Thx political you made me laugh which is hard in this tough time.
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israel will only be recognised by the muslim world when it gives up jerusalem until then this will go on-the so called peace process and hey kaka 55 are still muslims in jerusalem-today we are asking to hand over jerusalem peacefully who knows tomorrow you may not even get tel aviv if u dont hand over jerusalem
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israel will only be recognised by the muslim world when it gives up jerusalem until then this will go on-the so called peace process and hey kaka 55 are still muslims in jerusalem-today we are asking to hand over jerusalem peacefully who knows tomorrow you may not even get tel aviv if u dont hand over jerusalem
You miss-qouted me you terrorist supporting moron.........55% of the population in EASTERN JERUSALEM..........In total,Jeresalem is swamped with A jewish majority....................And you tried taking Tel-Aviv so many times.....You fail each time and bring more death to your people...........Some Arabs realized there's no finishing Israel.....Jordan and Egypt.
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Then it will never be recognized. And the violence and bloodshed will continue through a few more generations.

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What are you willing to give up in return?

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No offense...but you people are not in a position to make such demands.

It is likely Israel could defend itself even without US help. With US help, you have no chance of successfully invading them.
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Jerusalem aside:

3. Syria will not agree to permanent annexation of the Golan Heights -- which means Hezbollah won't either.

5. I doubt Hamas would agree to the ceasefire even if they were given Jerusalem.

8. If there's one nation on earth that has a justifiable reason to own nukes, it's Israel.

As for Jerusalem: Jerusalem contains the most holy site of Judaism, too. You're saying the Jews should hand Jerusalem over to the Arabs as long as free access is granted to all. Fine. But why isn't the reverse acceptable (i.e., Arabs cede Jerusalem to Israel as long as free access is granted to all)?

The only real basis for peace is threefold: a recognition on all sides of Israel's right to exist, a recognition on all sides of a viable Palestine, and specific peace agreements with neighboring states that settle the borders once and for all.

I think Israel will eventually have to give up the Golan. And Jerusalem will have to be solved -- perhaps by declaring it an open city under no one government's control.

On the flip side, Arab governments -- notably Lebanon and Syria -- will have to muzzle the anti-Israel militant groups. Peace will never be had as long as guerrillas are firing rockets and sending suicide bombers into Israel.
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