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Old 08-11-2006, 08:09 PM
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Working at the Mass state house with my Progressive Representative, among whom most Democrats are rather moderate. I got into some heated discussians with the aide, saying that I am slightly racist. Here were some views of mine.

1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.

2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.

3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.

4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.

5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.

6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.

7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.

8. Immigrants and illegal immigrants have no constitutional rights.

9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.

10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

11. English should be the official language.

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.

So what do you think? I'll add others if I think of any.
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1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.
I don't know if it's racist, but it is stereotypical and assumptive. Even if a majority of downtown is hispanic (it may be for all I know), how do you know there is a strong instance of illegal ones? Wouldn't it be easier for illegals to hide amongst others who look foreign but are legal?

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2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.
That is racist. You're either making assumptions based on race or showing preference to your own race, all tings equal.

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3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.
Not necessarily racist... unless you bunch hispanics that don't match your belief in with those that do. Again, it might be a bit assumptive.

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4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.
But most Muslims are not terrorists. So if all other data is lacking, racial profiling might make sense. But if there is no other lead, they're wasting our money... and if there's a lead on a non-Muslim, should they ignore it. Yes, profiling Muslims will lead to a smaller pool to look at then profiling the whole population. Should they also profile men? What will you think when they start using terrorists that defy the demographics? Real leads work better than racial profiling. They didn't catch those latest guys through racial profiling- especially since many were caught in Pakistan!

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5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.
It makes sense if the reason is because of the crime in the area, not simply because of race. But would you hold it constant to white communities with a lot of crime.. or minority communities with less crime. But generally, police patrolling is deficient in high crime areas because it's harder to get cops to work there (less money and more risk).

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6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.
Not always true. Sometimes they work hard, just not smart, as is the case with many in the working class or poor communities. I used to do the same thing. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you aren't working in the right direction. And sometimes they do indeed have fewer opportunities to work from. Also there is dynamic based on family support. For years, many blacks who made it wound up giving a lot to less fortunate family members who helped them in the past... giving their way into poverty.

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7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.
Or do you just prefer a bulk of one to the bulk of the other for reasons of probability of traits?

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8. Immigrants and illegal immigrants have no constitutional rights.
Illegals perhaps, though it might be argued that all humans are entitled to basic rights as the philosophy of the country- just not benefits of laws... But legal immigrants? Why? Why shouldn't they have all the rights of citizens? It's also historically ignorant as it would mean many of the forefathers had no constitutional rights...

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9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.
That's racist, but common and often unconcious... not something to be taken lightly, but not really all that condemnable as long as you try to ovrcome it. I'd say it's only bad if all things are equal and terrible if stereotypes are reversed- say a black man in a suit and tie vs. a white kid in ghetto clothes glaring menacingly. If you still find the black man more suspicious, you're a class-A racist.

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10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

11. English should be the official language.

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.
None of these are racist.

Based on the above, overall you are a lightcore racist. If you have a problem with being racist, you should learn to judge people as individuals rather than lumping them together in stereotypes. But if you don't... nothing I can do.
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2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.
This is racist since you're only using race to base your decision. I understand how you can begin to feel overwhelmed. I often feel that way about Latinos, but my best employee is Latino so I get over it.


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6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.
Definitely racist. However, I've seen this same stereotype put out by a number of Blacks, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.
Are you "pro-Asian" or "anti-southamerican"? I suppose it's somewhat racist to like one better than another, but EVERYBODY does that.


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9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.
Jesse Jackson said basically the same thing. He's allowed though.

All in all, I doubt that you are any more racist than 99% of the country. IMO, you've gone too far if you would actually hire a white person even if a non-white person was more qualified or vice versa. If you're only guilty of generalizations and stereotyping, you're normal. If you allow those prejudices to carry over to individuals when you are making judgements, then you need to work on it.
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4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.
Not racist, but pragmatic. Why are we searching cripples in wheelchairs or old ladies, instead of looking very hard at 18-to-40-year-old muslims? The left screams, Timothy McVeigh. That was one case out of how many? How many more Americans and other nationalties have died because they thought islam meant no harm?

The rest of your stuff, it sounds like you can use a lot more tolerance.
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# 2 - WHY?

#6 - You are going to have to back that up with proof

#9 - Why?


I don't know if these answers make you a racist but it may show you as having some "pre-conceived notions" that you may have grown up with...
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Working at the Mass state house with my Progressive Representative, among whom most Democrats are rather moderate. I got into some heated discussians with the aide, saying that I am slightly racist. Here were some views of mine.

1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.

2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.

3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.

4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.

5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.

6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.

7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.

8. Immigrants and illegal immigrants have no constitutional rights.

9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.

10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

11. English should be the official language.

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.

So what do you think? I'll add others if I think of any.
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A culturalist thinks their culture is superior to another's culture.

You sound like a culturalist. I am a culturalist.
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Working at the Mass state house with my Progressive Representative, among whom most Democrats are rather moderate. I got into some heated discussians with the aide, saying that I am slightly racist. Here were some views of mine.

1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.

Don't know what town you live in, but why are illegals folking to this country in the first place?

2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.

Racist.

3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.

Assimilate or stay in their place.

4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.

Hmmmmm, thats a toughy was Tim McVeigh muslim? How about good old Eric Rudolph?

5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.

In most drug areas I agree you probably need to beef up police presence, but they need to stop the crime not just contain it.

6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.

Definitely racist, the majority of black people work hard just like everybody else in this country. I guarantee you my work ethic can stand up too any white man's.

7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.

Why?

8. Immigrants and illegal immigrants have no constitutional rights.

Explain.

9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.

Depends on where I am at. If I see a white man or should I say a group of white men at 2:00am in Huntsville, AL I would be more suspicious.

10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

Thats your choice.

11. English should be the official language.

Whose official language?

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.

Why not they were brought here to do the work that others would not, but now that they are demanding more for their hard work you want to send them back to where they came from. LOL.

So what do you think? I'll add others if I think of any.



Think you better get out of the woods listening to lectures by men wearing little white pointed hats and come out to the real world.

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You sound like a culturalist. I am a culturalist.
Is that the same as "NATIONALIST"?
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1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.
Yes it is since you are basing an assumtion off of race and you haven't the slightliest idea the percentage of illegal that reside in Downtown. I'm latino and I'm not an illegal

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2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.
Why?

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3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.
You seem to forget that because of technology latinos stay intouch with what is happen in there country and with there family members in there country. I remember a stat saying that 60% 2nd generation latino (me) speak better english than spanish.

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4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.
In 2003 one guy that was smuggling radiation to make bombs was Puerto Rican. I somewhat agree with your opinion but you have to realize that you can't neglate other ethicities. Iranians for example can pass for latinos or whites so what happen if a Iranian changes his name to Jay Smith?

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5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.
So what about poor white neighborhoods.

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6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.
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7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.
It is a very ignorant assumtion to make but I know where you are coming from. Asian immigrant unlike many latinos immigrant are from the middle class and most of them went to college in there countries. A big percentage of latinos didn't even finish high school in there country but the many South American like my father came here in as a foreign student.



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9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.
I know the feeling, well how the black guy feels

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10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

11. English should be the official language.

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.
I kinda feel da same why but not for your bigot reasons

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1. If the cops in my town want to go catch illegal immigrants, all they have to do is go downtown, which is nothing but hispanics and brazilians.

Not racist, just repeating things Barb Bush says

2. If I had a choice between a white immigrant and a black/hispanic immigrant, I would choose the white immigrant.

Depends on what you needed for a "choice." If you were an NBA team then you'd lose.

3. I'm afraid of the rising tide of hispanics because they don't seem to want to assimilate as much of previous rounds of immigrants.

simple chemistry, you can only disolve so much sugar in water - keep on adding sugar and the glass will be sugar - the "assimilation" phase has already been passed.

4. Its ok to have the FBI/CIA do racial profiling of muslims more than others because terrorists tend to be muslims.

well, neocons have said it's OK to aim for the heads of ATF agents as a response to Waco and Ruby Ridge - just ask G. Gordon Liddy and McVeigh. So, I wonder why you would have use for people who the NRA called "jack-booted-thugs" anyway.

5. Its ok for cops to put a higher on emphasis on minority neighborhoods, as thats where the most crime is.

yes, stealing a $300 TV set is more important than $200 billion in white collar tax evasion and cooking of the books

6. Blacks are poor because they have a poor work ethic.

well, "those people" (as Barbara calls them), might be using more of their muscle and having to wait untilt hey're 70 to get Social Security while Neil Bush has never as much as got a paper cut so it's up to the observer who works harder.

7. I prefer Asian immigrants to South American immigrants.

Depends on what kind of restaurant you like.

8. Immigrants and illegal immigrants have no constitutional rights.

Immigrants have no rights? So much for the constitution. This will be Rove's next move I guess. Illegal immigrants have no rights? same problem.

9. If I see a black man at 2AM in the city, I will be more suspicious of him that that of a white/asian man.

then, you will be raped by the white guy who you turned your back on ( if you're a woman)

10. I don't want to deal with people who only speak spanish for business.

so, you'd deal with people who only spoke spanish for recreation?

11. English should be the official language.

Junior's version or common English?

12. The government should not print anything with additional spanish text.

additional to what? I sure hope they don't print something with "additional" English either - just the basics.
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