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I would prefer not to spend my life as a political outsider, but given the state of the two major parties in America, I can't currently see myself as anything else. The following questions aren't to bait anyone. If you disagree with me as a matter of conscience, I respect you and your intentions. I simply want to see how flexible the political thinking of actual Republican and Democratic voters is. First, for the Republicans, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. End all political and ideological ties with the PNAC and neoconservative foreign policy in general?

2. End deficit spending as a policy and support actual fiscal conservatism?

3. Leave church/state and gay rights issues to the states?

For Democrats, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. Give serious support to social freedoms such as privacy rights, an end to civil forfeiture, gay rights and free speech?

2. Be fiscally moderate and support reforms of existing aid programs, i.e. follow Clinton's economics rather than Ted Kennedy's?

3. Support gun rights and at least experiment with school vouchers?

I appreciate all replies. Thank you very much.
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I would prefer not to spend my life as a political outsider, but given the state of the two major parties in America, I can't currently see myself as anything else. The following questions aren't to bait anyone. If you disagree with me as a matter of conscience, I respect you and your intentions. I simply want to see how flexible the political thinking of actual Republican and Democratic voters is. First, for the Republicans, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. End all political and ideological ties with the PNAC and neoconservative foreign policy in general?
Since you stated elsewhere you are isolationist oriented, I will disagree with this on broad economic and not geopolitical grounds. We need the trade. Isolationism ends up creating higher foreign import tariffs, cutting off our foreign sales.


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2. End deficit spending as a policy and support actual fiscal conservatism?

3. Leave church/state and gay rights issues to the states?

For Democrats, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. Give serious support to social freedoms such as privacy rights, an end to civil forfeiture, gay rights and free speech?

2. Be fiscally moderate and support reforms of existing aid programs, i.e. follow Clinton's economics rather than Ted Kennedy's?

3. Support gun rights and at least experiment with school vouchers?

I appreciate all replies. Thank you very much.
Not bad. Dems won't do even one of them. The GOP maybe two. As for isolationism, that one's still in play and no flag on the field.
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I would prefer not to spend my life as a political outsider, but given the state of the two major parties in America, I can't currently see myself as anything else. The following questions aren't to bait anyone. If you disagree with me as a matter of conscience, I respect you and your intentions. I simply want to see how flexible the political thinking of actual Republican and Democratic voters is. First, for the Republicans, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. End all political and ideological ties with the PNAC and neoconservative foreign policy in general?
Since you stated elsewhere you are isolationist oriented, I will disagree with this on broad economic and not geopolitical grounds. We need the trade. Isolationism ends up creating higher foreign import tariffs, cutting off our foreign sales.
I'm not an isolationist on trade and borders. I strongly support free trade and I would privatize land along the borders and let landowners decide which and how many immigrants to allow on or through their land. I am an isolationist only on issues of war and peace. In other words, I support withdrawing from organizations like the UN and not going to war unless attacked.
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First, for the Republicans, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. End all political and ideological ties with the PNAC and neoconservative foreign policy in general?
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On everything except the military, yes.

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I understand that compromises are necessary. That's two Republicans who are willing to go along with two out of three of my proposals. Let's see how the Democrats respond. Being left-brained (nothing to do with politics), I'll even use mathematics to measure comparative ideological flexibility.
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I'm not an isolationist on trade and borders. I strongly support free trade and I would privatize land along the borders and let landowners decide which and how many immigrants to allow on or through their land.
You want to let individuals decide how many Foreigners are allowed in our Country?

I suppose you also want them to be the ones to decide if they will require any type of documentation on those entering?

We have these Laws and Rules for a reason.

What would stop Foreign interests from buying up that land and allowing everyone through?

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First, for the Republicans, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. End all political and ideological ties with the PNAC and neoconservative foreign policy in general?
This is just a cheap shot. Nobody even knows what PNAC is, studmuffin.

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2. End deficit spending as a policy and support actual fiscal conservatism?
Democrats would obstruct it. Why bother even trying.

[quote]3. Leave church/state and gay rights issues to the states?[/quote

Who cares. Not I said the blind man.

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For Democrats, if you were in charge, would you be willing to:

1. Give serious support to social freedoms such as privacy rights, an end to civil forfeiture, gay rights and free speech?
Mumbo Jumbo question.

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2. Be fiscally moderate and support reforms of existing aid programs, i.e. follow Clinton's economics rather than Ted Kennedy's?
Why are you asking Democrats to be Moderates, yet only ask Republicans to be far left Liberal?

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3. Support gun rights and at least experiment with school vouchers?
They better support Gun rights, its in the constitution, stud.

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I'm not an isolationist on trade and borders. I strongly support free trade and I would privatize land along the borders and let landowners decide which and how many immigrants to allow on or through their land.
You want to let individuals decide how many Foreigners are allowed in our Country?

I suppose you also want them to be the ones to decide if they will require any type of documentation on those entering?

We have these Laws and Rules for a reason.

What would stop Foreign interests from buying up that land and allowing everyone through?

Regards,
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I posted that in response to the mistaken perception that I support a paleoconservative rather than a libertarian foreign policy. That was tangential to the original topic of this thread, moreover. If you want to debate border policy, start another thread and I'll debate it with you there.

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I would prefer not to spend my life as a political outsider,
So you believe the only option is to reform one of the two major parties? I would disagree. I would say that if the Libertarians could elect just one Representative to the House, the other politicians would begin to get nervous and start to alter their views as a result. That's what happened when the Socialist Party won a seat early in the last century.

I don't look at it as being a political outsider. I look at it as being rational and devoted to principle.
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I would prefer not to spend my life as a political outsider,
So you believe the only option is to reform one of the two major parties? I would disagree. I would say that if the Libertarians could elect just one Representative to the House, the other politicians would begin to get nervous and start to alter their views as a result. That's what happened when the Socialist Party won a seat early in the last century.

I don't look at it as being a political outsider. I look at it as being rational and devoted to principle.
Bernie Sanders is no political groundswell. He's also retiring, having raked in all the lifetime benefits and health care he can grab.
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