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Old 11-08-2006, 08:01 PM
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It seems to me you have problems realizing some truths.
Lawyers are important in government because they are the ones who are knowledgeable with constitution.

Here is a good example for you about some professionals in government.
Congress doesn't have that many accountants as congressmen, but they still pass tax laws at least once a year. After the laws are passed it takes many professional accountants (in IRS and elsewhere) to figure out how to understand the law, how to treat it, whether to enforce it, or how to perform correct calculations. Sometimes congress passes laws that IRS decides not to enforce because of its complexities.

This is the mess that is caused by people passing laws who do not know accounting (I am an accountant myself, and I can assure you everything I say it true).

Now, let's imagine what kind of mess would our legislatives create if they were not familiar with constitutional law!
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It seems to me you have problems realizing some truths.
Lawyers are important in government because they are the ones who are knowledgeable with constitution.
Let me let you guys in on a little something...again... The title of this post was used to generate controversy and spark interest in the thread. If you had actually read all of the links I posted, there were some very clear issues that the original 13th amendment addressed. It actually would not ban all lawyers from serving in government, only specific types of lawyers, or lawyers with a different classification of rights. Now go read the links and stop wasting my time.

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Here is a good example for you about some professionals in government.
Congress doesn't have that many accountants as congressmen, but they still pass tax laws at least once a year. After the laws are passed it takes many professional accountants (in IRS and elsewhere) to figure out how to understand the law, how to treat it, whether to enforce it, or how to perform correct calculations. Sometimes congress passes laws that IRS decides not to enforce because of its complexities.
Which indicates that the lawyers in Congress tend toward unnecessary complexity. Even other professionals can't understand the laws they pass!!!!! This is not an inevitability, it is a problem that needs to be corrected.

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This is the mess that is caused by people passing laws who do not know accounting (I am an accountant myself, and I can assure you everything I say it true).
What you don't seem to grasp is that YOU BENEFIT FROM THIS COMPLEXITY. If there was no income tax and the insane complexity of the tax code didn't exist, people like you would have to find more productive endeavors to pursue. It's a complete and total waste of resources for the government to force a system on the country that costs $100 billion JUST IN COMPLIANCE. So not only do you have the cost of the income tax on individuals, and the cost of the government to enforce it, you also drain another $100 billion from the private sector just to comply with it.

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Now, let's imagine what kind of mess would our legislatives create if they were not familiar with constitutional law!
Again, you need to read the original links. The original amendment only failed by the vote of one state. Over two-thirds of both the Senate and the House and state Legislatures approved it. You guys just bit on my tag line without studying the details.

I don't see a "mess" created in the beginning. I see the Constitution as a very straightforward document for the most part. The original intent is also very clear if you study the words and history of the Founding Fathers. Attorneys today have no concept of the original intent of the Constitution - and that's all that matters when you're trying to figure out the meaning of the document.

The mess came when lawyers kept adding complexity, from which they benefit in the "interpretation" of.
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As an update, South Dakota voters rejected the Judicial Accountability proposal by a 90-10 margin.
Not surprising considering how it was attacked with official pronouncements from the state legislature and extreme fear mongering.

And again, judges and other public officials can already be sued under title 42, 1983,85, & 86, it's just mostly an inaccessible venue for most people.
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