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We should pass a Constitutional amendment to prevent lawyers from serving in government. Such was actually proposed at one time by the American Founders. It was later presented as the "original" 13th amendment and there is evidence of a conspiracy behind its removal from the Constitution. Its purpose was to ban lawyers from serving in government, since they have the "esquire" nobility title. See:

http://w3f.com/patriots/13/13th-01.html and

http://www.theawaregroup.com/original13th.htm

ESQUIRE. (ME esquire, esquire, squire, fr. MF escuier, esquire shield bearer, squire, fr. LL scutarius, fr. L scutum shield + arius —ary; akin to OHG sceida sheath] A member of the English gentry ranking immediately below a knight. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary of the English Language Unabridged, 1976. A man belonging to the higher order of English gentry, ranking immediately below a knight. . . Applied to various officers in the service of a king . . In the U.S. the title belongs officially to lawyers. . . OED. Originally, a shield-bearer or armor-bearer, an attendant on a knight; in modern times, a title of dignity next in degree below knight and above gentleman. Webster’s Revised Unabridged College Dictionary. In English law. A title of dignity next above gentleman, and below knight. . .Black’s 1st.

for a very thorough discussion of how lawyers are ruining American society see:

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/rape10.shtml

"A lawyer is a person who profits by creating confusion. Or when that is impossible, he profits by the confusion created by others. In either case, confusion is his stock in trade. The greater the division between form and substance, between legal technicality and the attainment of justice, between gobbledygook and common intelligibility, the more the lawyer profits. The wider the gap a lawyer can create between the person who ostensibly owns property and he who claims its economic worth, the more money winds up in his pocket.

The lawyer's lucrative monopoly gives him an incentive to create obstacles to the smooth functioning of the life of ordinary people. Through their dominance of politics, the bureaucracy, and their monopoly over litigation, lawyers have insinuated themselves into every human relationship."

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Default Lawyers should be banned from serving in government

If you really want to see something scary, take a look at how many lawyers view the rest of society. Pay close attention to the definition for Human Being and Person in Ballantine's Law Dictionary from 1930:

HUMAN BEING. See monster. Ballentine’s Law Dictionary, 1930.

JURISTIC PERSON. See Note. Note: Black’s 7th mentions juristic person under the definition of “artificial person,” which is defined under “person”:
PERSON. . . . An entity (such as a corporation) having the rights and duties of a human being. Black’s 7th.

ARTIFICIAL PERSON. An entity, such as a corporation, created by law and given certain legal rights and duties of a human being; a being, real or imaginary, who for the purpose of legal reasoning is treated more or less as a human being. Also termed fictitious person; juristic person; legal person . .. Black’s 7th.

Note: The legal definition of “human being” is conveniently missing from the law dictionary containing the above definitions. The difference between a human being and an artificial person has been so blurred—intentionally and legally—by those who enrich themselves at your expense via the “legal system,” that the two terms are so overlapped they are essentially indistinguishable. Treating people as “numbers” or “corporations” is the order of the day for governments, and the virulent hatred of mankind espoused by those who dominate the world has been “legally justified” through such specious subterfuge as the foregoing “definitions.” See monster.

MONSTER. A human-being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal. A monster hath no inheritable blood and cannot be heir to any land. Ballentine’s Law Dictionary, 1930. A prodigious birth; a human birth or offspring not having the shape of mankind: which cannot be heir to any land, albeit it be brought forth in marriage. Black’s 1st. See Note.

Note: Under “human being” Ballentine’s says only “See monster.” Neither of the above major law dictionaries defines “human being” only “monster.”

From: http://www.commonlawvenue.com/Glossary/GlossaryE-J.htm

This level of arrogance is absolutely sick. It's pure evil in fact.

From the same dictionary it's also interesting to see:

GOY. n. pl. goy•im (goy’im), goys. Often disparaging. a non-Jewish person; gentile. Also, goi. [<Yiddish < Heb goi people, non-Jews] Webster’s. See goyim, gentile.

GOYIM. . . . a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (fig.) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:— Gentile, heathen, nation, people. THE NEW STRONG’S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE OF THE BIBLE, 1995. See Note, goy, gentile.

Note: Literally, goyim means “nation.” It is also Jewish slang for “cattle” or “animals.” See goods.

GOODS. “Goods” includes all things which are movable at the time the security interest attaches. . . . U.C.C. §9-105(h). A term of variable content and meaning. . . All things. . . .which are movable at the time of identification to the contract for sale . . . investment securities, and things in action. Also includes the unborn young of animals . . Black’s 6th. See Note.

Note: “all things which are movable” = newborn children; “at the time the security interest attaches” = birth, and execution/registration of the birth document/certificate; “identification to the contract” = newborn’s footprints and informer’s (mother’s) signature; “contract” = birth certificate; “things in action” = newborn children; “unborn young of animals” = human fetuses. According to STRONG’S, referenced in “goyim” below, “animals” = goyim. See field warehouse receipt, identification of goods, goyim.
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So the people who understand law the best shouldn't be allowed to make laws? Claiming all lawyers are evil is the sign of a small minded person.
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We should pass a Constitutional amendment to prevent lawyers from serving in government.
I thought you opposed amendments that restricted liberty? Now today you're proposing amendments left and right.

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Such was actually proposed at one time by the American Founders.
LOL. Considering many members of the Constitutional Convention were themselves lawyers, I find that difficult to believe.

Here's a link:
http://www.prisoners.com/mythff.html

It dislikes lawyers, but even it acknowledges how many lawyers were in on the founding of our country.
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So the people who understand law the best shouldn't be allowed to make laws?
Why do we need over 6 million laws on the books? You ever think about that? Who does that benefit exactly? Maybe you missed it the first time:

"A lawyer is a person who profits by creating confusion. Or when that is impossible, he profits by the confusion created by others. In either case, confusion is his stock in trade. The greater the division between form and substance, between legal technicality and the attainment of justice, between gobbledygook and common intelligibility, the more the lawyer profits. The wider the gap a lawyer can create between the person who ostensibly owns property and he who claims its economic worth, the more money winds up in his pocket.

The lawyer's lucrative monopoly gives him an incentive to create obstacles to the smooth functioning of the life of ordinary people. Through their dominance of politics, the bureaucracy, and their monopoly over litigation, lawyers have insinuated themselves into every human relationship."

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Claiming all lawyers are evil is the sign of a small minded person.
Putting over 6 million laws on the books is a sign of small-minded people. Making it so that everyone in the country is guilty of some type of crime is a sign of evil.

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." – Ayn Rand

" The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." – Tacitus

We have to simplify the legal system and Richard Epstein has some good ideas on where we should go from here:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/pr-mj-ep.html
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I thought you opposed amendments that restricted liberty? Now today you're proposing amendments left and right.
Raytri's right. An amendment banning lawyers from government service would restrict liberty. Besides there is a already a way to keep lawyers from serving in government: don't vote for them.
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Sorry, fellow truth seeker, but I have to disagree. Everyone but convicted felons should be free to hold office. Let the voters decide.
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T-B's just sore because the lawyers refuse to declare the income tax illegal.
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If you pass an amendment prohibiting lawyers from serving in the government, most laws will end up being so poorly drawn as to be unconstitutional as hell. Who would we have to fill our judgeships? Or prosecuting attorneys' offices? Our defense attorneys' offices? Genius!
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only CRAB FISHERMEN should be in govt..(don't ask... )
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