You referenced North Korea as being "free" because it is independent from other nations. However when people use the term "free nation" they are referring to the People as being free...not just the state.

The fact that the state is free does not necessarily mean that the people that state controls are free.

Not in the context you are using the word, no.

Because you are wrong.

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Then explain which part of #1 does not hold true for their people, instead of just saying it does not...

Because I say they do, and you have yet to refute that.

again, which part of THIS definition doesn't hold true for the PEOPLE of North Korea...

1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint

Or are we supposed to believe you simply because you say it?

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The part where you apply the word to the state as opposed to the People.

If you say so. I disagree.

See above. I've already answered that.

No one is forcing you to. Would you like me to start another poll?

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No, I applied the definition to the People and you tried to say it applied to the State and not the people. So now are you saying it does in fact apply to the people?

You should really try to be consistent, it's hard to have such a discussion with someone who is constantly changing his position.

What? You just stated the OPPOSITE thing above, didn't you? You either agree or disagree that it applies to the people, which is it?

Yes you did, twice as a matter of fact, and each time you seemed to be taking the opposite opinion. Do you even need me in this to have the argument? Because you seem to be willing to take both sides of this discussion yourself.

Well, since it seems you are unable to make your position clear, or perhaps you actually have and you can't decide for yourself which you believe, but it seems taking a Poll is about all you can really do, since explaining your position seems to be beyond you.

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When most people use the term "free nation", yes, they are talking about the people, not just the state itself. That is why the term is used to describe democracies, and not used to describe dictatorships. Even if the dictatorships themselves technically fit the definition.

The fact that you do not understand my position does not mean it has changed.

So why are you asking me again? Are you expecting a different answer?

I dont know how to explain it any simpler than I already have. No one else on the forum seems to have a problem understanding me.

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Interesting...

Since none of that was directed at whether the #1 definition could be applied to the people.

Seems when you can't support your assertions with facts, you attempt to divert attention with Bull...

Care to answer the simple question or not?

Once you said it DID apply and once you have said it didn't...

I am just waiting for a straight answer from you, rather than just attempt after attempt to divert the discussion because it isn't going the way you would need it to to support you loony assertion.

Let's try again, and show everyone again your inability to just answer a very simple question:

Does the #1 definition apply to individuals, in your mind?

1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint

Again, no qualifiers on your part are necessary, just whether you think that definition can apply to ANY person in ANY place in the World?

Because according to how YOU interpret a definition of a word, that is ALL it would take to consider a person "free", right?

Regards,
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No, I just applied the #1 definition of the word free to the people of North Korea, and since they do in fact meet that definition, they are in fact Free people, by YOUR way of how definitions work, right?

Or perhaps you could explain where the people of North Korea do not fit with the #1 definition?

Regards,
Gaar

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Yeah, that must be it.

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