What's Iran's Next Move? Just for fun... - Page 2

Adrenalinejunkie · #11 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteJackel";p=&quot

Keep screwing with America and Israel. Iran knows America can't do anything because of being tied down in Iraq, a war too unpopular to permit another U.S. misadventure. Iran also knows the U.S. won't allow Israel to take action, again, due to Bush-Wrecker-of-World's image as a war-monger. SO......if you're Iran, you just keep laughing your arse off while teasing The Larger-than-Life Paper Tiger -- America. Even the Jews lack influence here. But heck....I bet if we dig deeply enough, we'll find a Jew somewhere in the scenario, SELLING fissionable material to the Iraneans.

lol ... well maybe on the last part, but I think the North Koreans dominate the market.

My question to what you said, isn't to question whether or not you're right, because... well you are right about a lot of it. But don't you think Iran has a bigger motivation than just having fun with America and Israel?

Because IF that's all they're doing, then sure. But it won't last. Bush isn't going to prez for much longer, things WILL change. So does Iran have an end-game?

I think they do. I think they're trying to win the chess match and say "check-mate" to us and Israel, and that means Israel's destruction and the end of American influence in the world.

If not, then it'll all blow over. If they hesitate and wait too long, it'll all blow over. I'm actually pulling for the all-blow-over scenario.

Adrenalinejunkie · #12 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

It's my belief that America had the desire to crush all countries who wish to change their oil purchasing currency to Euro instead of Dollar. If you'd notice, all such countries are on the list of "terrorist states". America's economy will collapse if it doesn't invade Iran. And it will, mark my words.

That's a new one. Ya'll just sit around thinking of those or what? It's just my opinion, but from what I've read and seen, you guys in Europe need real press instead of nothing but tabloids. But hey, enjoy the nude pictures of the woman who supposedly is Tiger Wood's wife, but actually isn't. And enjoy standing for those who blew up the trains in Spain.

Or did George Bush do that too?

The US will never invade Iran. It would go nuclear before that happened.

But your previous question was a pretty good one. What is George Bush's next move? Sanctions. They won't do a thing, but it will give him the appearance of doing something so the US can buy some time. The US needs the time if they're serious about helping the reformers in Iran, and they need the time so for Afghanistan and Iraq to strengthen to the point they can exert influence against Islamic facism in the region.

It would strengthen the Arab moderates in the region. War inflames the radicals, so there are only two real options right now in my opinion. All-out war which is truly unthinkable. Or building up the moderates and democracies in the region even if it means absorbing a WMD terrrorist strike. Unfortunately, a WMD strike by Hezbollah, Hamas or Al Queda would make all the rules fly out the window. Another unfortunately, any attack, including a retaliatory strike would play into Iran's hands. And if I was Iran, I'd push the current advantage and try very hard to get Israel or the US to attack.

BlackFrancis · #13 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 09:05 PM

Yes... that's good. Reduce yourself to stupidity in the middle of a serious debate... that you started.
I'm not sticking up for any murderers, and I certainly don't read the tabloids. I don't sit around making things up, I know this to be a fact.
America's economy is more or less based on the Oil-Dollar deal struck up about 40 years ago by OPEC which declares all oil to be sold and bought in US Dollars. So one must have US Dollars. How do you get US Dollars? You sell to someone with US Dollars. So America has an array of colonies around the globe exporting to America. And as your national debt climbs, you cannot afford to fork out enought dollars. So as soon as the Euro was established (the second transnational currency to date) Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, and Venusuala (in that order I believe) got sick of you standing on their backs and threatened to convert to the Euro. Cuba just did it... and Venusuala is almost there. Don't you notice a climbing tension between your country and these?
Don't treat my take on this is a conspiracy theory though, this is just economics in action. If I said the world was ruled by a bunch of lizards who incarnate into positions of power on this earth to create a one world government... that would be a conspiracy theory.

Tedminator · #14 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 09:13 PM

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What's Iran's Next Move? ... assuming lots of things, and deducing moves...

They scratch their nose, we glass all of Iran.

well you did say "Just for fun"

btw, interesting Time article:

What Would War Look Like?
A flurry of military maneuvers in the Middle East increases speculation that conflict with Iran is no longer quite so unthinkable. Here's how the U.S. would fight such a war--and the huge price it would have to pay to win it
By MICHAEL DUFFY
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...994123,00.html

BlackFrancis · #15 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 09:16 PM

Sorry.... can't trust a Duffy.

Oh yeah... told ya so! :P

Adrenalinejunkie · #16 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

Yes... that's good. Reduce yourself to stupidity in the middle of a serious debate... that you started.

I gave you a serious answer you ignored, but you didn't read very far. But yes, I did ridicule your theory. I admit it. It was goofy and I couldn't help it.

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

I'm not sticking up for any murderers, and I certainly don't read the tabloids. I don't sit around making things up, I know this to be a fact.

Right. We actually LIVE in a America, but you know far more than we do. Let's hear the proof...

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

America's economy is more or less based on the Oil-Dollar deal struck up about 40 years ago by OPEC which declares all oil to be sold and bought in US Dollars. So one must have US Dollars. How do you get US Dollars? You sell to someone with US Dollars. So America has an array of colonies around the globe exporting to America. And as your national debt climbs, you cannot afford to fork out enought dollars. So as soon as the Euro was established (the second transnational currency to date) Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, and Venusuala (in that order I believe) got sick of you standing on their backs and threatened to convert to the Euro. Cuba just did it... and Venusuala is almost there. Don't you notice a climbing tension between your country and these?

Oh please. Stop right now. Go get a business degree. Do you have one? Go to a different college then.

There. I feel better. In the meantime, read this from: James D. Hamilton is Professor of Economics at the University of California, San Diego

In response to the very conspiracy "fact" you brought up:

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Where shall I begin? Well, for starters, you don't need to acquire any U.S. assets in order to purchase a barrel of oil that is priced in dollars. You could pay with eurodollars, which are dollar-denominated accounts that could be issued by any bank anywhere in the world.

And even if the oil were purchased with dollars drawn on a U.S. bank, there is no reason at all that the seller needs to retain the proceeds in that form. Those selling oil could convert those dollars back to euros or Japanese yen or whatever their hearts desired, and likewise could convert euros obtained through sales on an Iranian bourse back into dollars, if they wished. What ultimately determines the demand for dollars is not the unit of account for the transaction, but rather the desired asset holdings of those who are accumulating the wealth.

You could buy gold right now in New York for dollars or in London for pounds. Which one is cheaper? Guess what-- you'll pay exactly the same price either place once you make the currency conversion at the current exchange rate. The same will surely hold for crude oil.

And the notion that the U.S. dollar is currently "backed by oil" is so nonsensical that it is difficult even to fathom what that phrase is intended to convey. When we say that under a gold standard, the dollar is backed by gold, I know exactly what that means-- it means you can surrender dollars at any time to obtain a fixed amount of gold promised by the government. But if you surrender dollars on any given day in January 2006, how much oil are you going to get back? It varies literally by the minute, and the rate at which dollars get exchanged for oil has nothing to do with the promises made by any government and everything to do with market fluctuations in supply and demand.

Which is also my explanation for the prevalence of these theories on the internet-- there is a demand for a deeply conspiratorial interpretation of world events, and always someone willing to supply such.

Now, did I notice a climbing tension between my country and ummm.... Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba? Leave out Cuba, we're always mad at Cuba and we haven't invaded ummm... since John F Kennedy.

The other things you may not have heard about was the terrorism thing. That's Iran's problem. And our fear of it lead us into Iraq. And Venezuela...

Chavez makes a lot of noise, but the only thing we worry about with Chavez is his alliance with Iran, the terrorist masters. There aren't any carrier battle groups headed his way though. Rest easy.

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

Don't treat my take on this is a conspiracy theory though, this is just economics in action.

It's a conspiracy theory. Our press would have a field day with this if it was true. If it was a movie plot we wouldn't think it was possible. The elected leaders of our country wouldn't stand for it even if a few tried something so heinous.

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

If I said the world was ruled by a bunch of lizards who incarnate into positions of power on this earth to create a one world government... that would be a conspiracy theory.

That would be a video game idea.

Adrenalinejunkie · #17 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedminator";p=&quot

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What's Iran's Next Move? ... assuming lots of things, and deducing moves...

They scratch their nose, we glass all of Iran.

well you did say "Just for fun"

btw, interesting Time article:

What Would War Look Like?
A flurry of military maneuvers in the Middle East increases speculation that conflict with Iran is no longer quite so unthinkable. Here's how the U.S. would fight such a war--and the huge price it would have to pay to win it
By MICHAEL DUFFY
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...994123,00.html

Thanks for the article! Remember when it was just the Cold War and everything was a bit more predictable?

I always kinda hoped I wouldn't live to see a nuke used in war, but... the glass would look kinda cool.

Adrenalinejunkie · #18 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 09:23 PM

It's here:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...535817,00.html

Adrenalinejunkie · #19 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackFrancis";p=&quot

If I said the world was ruled by a bunch of lizards who incarnate into positions of power on this earth to create a one world government... that would be a conspiracy theory.

By the way, I'm sorry for being harsh sounding. My fault.

I really do get surprised by what I read from posters across the Atlantic, though. It seems pretty incredible to many of us here quite often. Unfortunately I was taking it out on you, and I shouldn't have. Hope you have a good weekend. I've got to run until next week so you get the last word. Take care.

BlackFrancis · #20 (**permalink**) 09-23-2006, 03:30 PM

Adrenalinejunkie: It's alright. It's what the Internet is for.
I don't want the last word. What a useless word that would be.
Althought I'd have you look at this article. Ok... so it has a rhetoric problem, but in these ages it's hard to avoid.

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