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Old 11-06-2006, 10:32 PM
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Yes Switzerland and most of the Scandinavian nations have mandatory military service...and under that their Government Grants them the access to have those weapons..and yes the subject of those government can get access to weapons for hunting or whatever IF the government deems fit to give it to them.

The Swiss as a people have no inherent Right as a People to bear arms of any kind.

Completely different then the USA and its Peoples Inherent Right to bear arms.
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Owning guns is not a right, it is a responsibility. It is every citizens duty to arm themselves and learn to use a weapon.
In principle, I agree with your statement but I don't agree with the rhetoric. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental and innate right. With rights come responsibilities, and it is the responsibility of the people to learn to use weapons properly and safely.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:39 AM
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Owning guns is not a right, it is a responsibility. It is every citizens duty to arm themselves and learn to use a weapon.
In principle, I agree with your statement but I don't agree with the rhetoric. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental and innate right. With rights come responsibilities, and it is the responsibility of the people to learn to use weapons properly and safely.
Well I would think that safety and responsibility would be part of "learning to use the weapon" as aforementioned. If you are just shooting randomnly into the air I would hardly say that you know how to use a weapon
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Maybe that's because you have such a wonderful Government system in the USA.

While other Governments around the World fear an armed population.


Then again maybe I'm wrong about that??????
Yes but when the revolutionary war was happening here even women and children in the countryside were shooting at brittish troups...I agree that the government here sucks, but rest assured, if they try to take our guns we will kill them
In the mean time you will make do with killing each other

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Owning guns is not a right, it is a responsibility. It is every citizens duty to arm themselves and learn to use a weapon.
I think that's a bit extreme. People have the right to not own guns for whatever reason: pacifism, worries about misuse, don't feel like buying one, whatever.
But carrying concealed weapons should be less restricted so that every criminal has to think that there is a chance any individual could be carrying.

Making it sound as though we have a responsibility to carry and use weapons is a recipe for paranoid trigger-happiness. It's better to view as a right and something you use only in the direst of situations in which you absolutely know there is danger to you or someone else.
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Guns are only tools that are wrongfully used IMO to excuse the actions of the individuals who use them by people like Rosie O'Donnell...

Besides if there where no guns it would be swords..or daggers..or axes..or clubs..or rocks...
Violence didn't suddenly arrive because of the relatively recent development of the gun.

Guns are not bad ..the people who use them to commit bad acts are bad. No gun has ever animated itelf and gone on a killing spree.
.....we agree on something. Guns are not the problem a idiot with a gun is the problem. As far as, gangs having guns do you think they obtain them the legal way? No, if they outlawed guns tomorrow the criminals would still have them. In Kennesaw, Georgia there is a law that when you buy a home you must also purchase a firearm. Tell you what if you break in my home I won't be running at you with a golf club.

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Well I would think that safety and responsibility would be part of "learning to use the weapon" as aforementioned. If you are just shooting randomnly into the air I would hardly say that you know how to use a weapon
My contention wasn't that. Rather, it was towards your comment that ownership of guns is not a right. To keep and bear arms is most certainly an innate and inalienable right.
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Guns are only tools that are wrongfully used IMO to excuse the actions of the individuals who use them by people like Rosie O'Donnell...

Besides if there where no guns it would be swords..or daggers..or axes..or clubs..or rocks...
Violence didn't suddenly arrive because of the relatively recent development of the gun.

Guns are not bad ..the people who use them to commit bad acts are bad. No gun has ever animated itelf and gone on a killing spree.
.....we agree on something. Guns are not the problem a idiot with a gun is the problem. As far as, gangs having guns do you think they obtain them the legal way? No, if they outlawed guns tomorrow the criminals would still have them. In Kennesaw, Georgia there is a law that when you buy a home you must also purchase a firearm. Tell you what if you break in my home I won't be running at you with a golf club.

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Hey, Supe....did you know in your heart of hearts that if you really and truly want a firearm, it's not that difficult to manufacture one? The Internet probably has numerous schematics for your very own Personal Weapon.

Golf clubs, however, are nice for having next to your door, just like a big plastic Super-Soaker squirt-gun. Ammonia is wonderful stuff---and cheap. Spray someone's eyes, that fight is OVER.
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Guns are only tools that are wrongfully used IMO to excuse the actions of the individuals who use them by people like Rosie O'Donnell...

Besides if there where no guns it would be swords..or daggers..or axes..or clubs..or rocks...
Violence didn't suddenly arrive because of the relatively recent development of the gun.

Guns are not bad ..the people who use them to commit bad acts are bad. No gun has ever animated itelf and gone on a killing spree.
.....we agree on something. Guns are not the problem a idiot with a gun is the problem. As far as, gangs having guns do you think they obtain them the legal way? No, if they outlawed guns tomorrow the criminals would still have them. In Kennesaw, Georgia there is a law that when you buy a home you must also purchase a firearm. Tell you what if you break in my home I won't be running at you with a golf club.

Peace.
Hey, Supe....did you know in your heart of hearts that if you really and truly want a firearm, it's not that difficult to manufacture one? The Internet probably has numerous schematics for your very own Personal Weapon.

Golf clubs, however, are nice for having next to your door, just like a big plastic Super-Soaker squirt-gun. Ammonia is wonderful stuff---and cheap. Spray someone's eyes, that fight is OVER.
......I will keep that in mind.

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I've read about several counties and cities that require gun ownership. Even as an NRA Life Member, I'm as opposed to that as I am to government sponsored gun grabs... and attempts to define some firearms as bad or evil, while others are acceptable. Cheap 9mm's kill many more people per year than AK-47's do, but the AK is considered the gun of Satan... just because of how it looks.

IMO, it comes down to one thing: are the firearms laws that are currently on the books being effectively appiled? If not, why pass more laws? As for who should own a gun, it's up to each individual to decide that for himself, while still meeting the general requirements of federal firearms laws. But I wouldn't accept a law which told me I had to own a firearm, anymore than I would accept a law which told me I couldn't own a firearm.

On the matter of registration, my state does not have registration. But still, I find that it's better to buy certain types of (now) legal weapons at gun shows or through private sales. Based on what's happened to gun owners in New Jersey and California, what's legal today might get your door kicked down tomorrow.
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