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It's a rag founded by a cult leader who believes he's the second coming of christ.
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It's a rag founded by a cult leader who believes he's the second coming of christ.
So? Does he still own it? Is he involved in the editorial process?

By the way, the ACLU is founded by a Communist.
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So? A right-wing rag is run by a cultist, and your question is "so?"

that's priceless.

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Does he still own it?
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Is he involved in the editorial process?
Yes: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=newsworld


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By the way, the ACLU is founded by a Communist.
By the way, Roger Baldwin has been dead for nearly 30 years; and the ACLU champions libertarian ideals of individual rights...

It's not the media arm of a global cult.
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So? A right-wing rag is run by a cultist, and your question is "so?"

that's priceless.
What's priceless is your double standard. As demonstrated below. So apparently Washington Times writers are guilty by association. Funny, I read somewhere on this board where that is a fallacy. The Times offsets the numerous left wing rags like the NY Times, Newsweek, SF Chronicle, LA Times, etc.

They also own the UPI. Where is your complaint about them? This doesn't address whether he is involved in writing the news.

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By the way, Roger Baldwin has been dead for nearly 30 years; and the ACLU champions libertarian ideals of individual rights...

It's not the media arm of a global cult.
It was founded by a Commie. Just like your concern of the Times being founded by Moon.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:21 PM
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So apparently Washington Times writers are guilty by association.
I didn't say anything about the washington times writers, at all.

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They also own the UPI. Where is your complaint about them?
I didn't stumble upon a thread about UPI.

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This doesn't address whether he is involved in writing the news.
You don't understand how a cult leader's media arm addresses whether the minister is involved or not?

What if it's a media arm in a cult that wants to spread propaganda?

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"We even have to utilize the media for the sake of church development. The church is the mind and the media is the body, to reach the external world. We should begin that movement and activity in the United States, because the Washington Times and UPI are headquartered there. Once we establish our organization in the United States, it can be expanded to the world without much alteration.
http://www.unification.net/news/news20001206.html

And, what if this is all part of his bizarre, (for-profit) quest for global domination?
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"The means of doing battle around the world have changed markedly. Instead of the conventional warfare of military forces, we have three major types of warfare today. First of all is ideological warfare; secondly is the warfare between intelligence forces; and thirdly, the warfare of propaganda.
http://www.unification.net/1984/840207.html


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It was founded by a Commie.
Who's dead.


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Just like your concern of the Times being founded by Moon.
Who is very much alive, and using the washington times, and their loyal patrons, to his cultish ends.
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Old 04-02-2008, 07:53 AM
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I didn't say anything about the washington times writers, at all.
They're the ones who write the stories. If you're slandering the Times because of ownership then you are slandering the writers. Who apparently are guilty by association.

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I didn't stumble upon a thread about UPI.
Feel free to demonstrate their bias as well.

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You don't understand how a cult leader's media arm addresses whether the minister is involved or not?
No, unless of course you can prove that it's anything more than an investment. Ownership does not prove day to day involvement.

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What if it's a media arm in a cult that wants to spread propaganda?
Convenient assumption, again...can you prove this?

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And, what if this is all part of his bizarre, (for-profit) quest for global domination?
What if it isn't. Can you prove this?

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Who is very much alive, and using the washington times, and their loyal patrons, to his cultish ends.
Based on your assumptions which lack any substantiation.
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Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

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They're the ones who write the stories. If you're slandering the Times because of ownership then you are slandering the writers. Who apparently are guilty by association.
You should look up the word "slander" and it's your argument that's trying to associate them with my critique of the content.


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Feel free to demonstrate their bias as well.
I'd prefer to focus, rather than engage this obsfucation.


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No, unless of course you can prove that it's anything more than an investment. Ownership does not prove day to day involvement.
Which is why I went on to prove that....


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Convenient assumption, again...can you prove this?
That's why I provided you with a quote from the cult leader.


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What if it isn't. Can you prove this?
It is: see the quotes.

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Based on your assumptions which lack any substantiation.
Just because you ignore what's presented, doesn't mean it wasn't presented.

Look, if you're happy to read a rag that is operated as part of a cult's propoganda machine, that's fine.

To each their own...

But, you should at least understand that's what it is.
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You should look up the word "slander" and it's your argument that's trying to associate them with my critique of the content.
No it isn't, it's by default. You can't criticize the content of the Times without criticizing the authors. Since the articles do not write themselves.

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I'd prefer to focus, rather than engage this obsfucation.
In other words, you can not demonstrate that they are biased. Which is of course what is required for their works to be biased as you claimed. Unless you are making the obscure claim that they are unbiased writers who write biased articles.

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Which is why I went on to prove that....

That's why I provided you with a quote from the cult leader.
If a quote from a cult leader proved anything, alas it does not.

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Just because you ignore what's presented, doesn't mean it wasn't presented.
What you presented proved nothing.

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Look, if you're happy to read a rag that is operated as part of a cult's propoganda machine, that's fine.

To each their own...

But, you should at least understand that's what it is.
I don't read it actually, but if you read Newsweek or other left wing rags the difference is splitting hairs.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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No it isn't, it's by default. You can't criticize the content of the Times without criticizing the authors. Since the articles do not write themselves.
This is an association you're building as part of a strawman.



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In other words, you can not demonstrate that they are biased. Which is of course what is required for their works to be biased as you claimed. Unless you are making the obscure claim that they are unbiased writers who write biased articles.
I'm not talking about the writers, that's you and your strawman. Are you claiming that the stories are not biased?

That's pretty funny. I would think the bias would be obvious, even to those with the same bias.

This blog documents some of their most ridiculous examples of bias:
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If a quote from a cult leader proved anything, alas it does not.
How does it not? It proves that it's the media arm of his cult.

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What you presented proved nothing.
I proved that the cult leader uses the paper as part of a propaganda war.

You can say "Nuh-uh" but an argument that does not make.

I can provide more quotes, confirming the newspaper's status as Moon's propaganda weapon.

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I don't read it actually, but if you read Newsweek or other left wing rags the difference is splitting hairs.
What cult leader uses Newsweek as part of his propaganda arm? There's a huge difference between a paper that has an ideological slant, and one that's a cult's propaganda arm, as it's founder and owner says that it is.
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This is an association you're building as part of a strawman.
No it isn't, you have yet to explain how stories can be biased without the authors being biased themselves. But feel free to demonstrate this.

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I'm not talking about the writers, that's you and your strawman. Are you claiming that the stories are not biased?
No, it's no strawman at all. You claimed the stories are biased. By definition that would mean the authors are biased or that the articles either wrote themselves or just appeared out of thin air.

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How does it not? It proves that it's the media arm of his cult.
So what? GE owns NBC, they aren't involved in their newsrooms and what stories they write. Unless you can prove that is the case here, then ownership does not = influence.

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I proved that the cult leader uses the paper as part of a propaganda war.

You can say "Nuh-uh" but an argument that does not make.

I can provide more quotes, confirming the newspaper's status as Moon's propaganda weapon.
You proved ownership. You did not prove that their stories are propoganda based upon that ownership. Interesting to note, you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Out of one side you say the articles are propoganda, but out of the other side you are saying you're not claiming the authors are biased. So non-biased authors are writing propoganda is what you just implied.
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Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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