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Old 11-22-2006, 04:45 AM
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Ok, you want it straight. Here it is. Two men living in a marriage is considered wrong by a large majority of this country , including me. I am in no way willing to stop any Homosexual from getting together in any way they want but i refuse to legally recognize the union and AMERICA will not pay the happy couple the benefits that a man and a woman enjoy. If you don't like it get a group together and change the law .Until then your out of luck. Now you get it?
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At one point a majority of senators were against abolition. At one point a majority of senators were against allowing women to vote. Things change.
I'd suggest they already have changed quite a bit, considering that most Americans are okay with civil unions. The only thing that keeps senators from feeling the pressure is that most Americans do not feel it is a high-priority issue.
Wait till the war's over and people return to thinking about things like equity and fairness in law. Then we'll see.
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Old 11-22-2006, 06:32 AM
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Ok, you want it straight. Here it is. Two men living in a marriage is considered wrong by a large majority of this country , including me.
If that is true, why are all the polls consistent in favoring civil unions for homos? Where did you get the idea that your views are a "large majority"? Even if you want to ignore those polls, wouldnt there have been FAR more support for that Defense of Marriage Amendment if you really represented a large majority of people in this country?

I understand you think it's wrong. I am asking you WHY it is wrong in your opinion. You do know your own opinion, right? You really think "just because" is an answer? heh heh

A majority of people in the country used to be in favor of slavery. A majority of people in this country used to be against allowing women and minorities to vote. Obviously, majority opinion alone is not sufficient reason to believe something. That seems obvious to me.

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I am in no way willing to stop any Homosexual from getting together in any way they want
Why not? Didnt you just say it was wrong? Would you allow pedophelia as long as it was in the privacy of the pedophile's own home?

This is why I love guys like Bob Enyart; they are not afraid to state the real reasons they dont like things like homosexuality. The guy has a spine. It is refreshing to see a Christian that isnt a hypocrite.

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but i refuse to legally recognize the union and AMERICA will not pay the happy couple the benefits that a man and a woman enjoy.
Why are you afraid to tell me the reason for that? Do you even HAVE a reason beyond "well, everyone else is doing it"?

I'll leave you with a few polls to enjoy:

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FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Nov. 4-5, 2006. N=900 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3. LV = likely voters. Except where noted, results below are among registered voters. - "Do you believe gays and lesbians should be allowed to get legally married, allowed a legal partnership similar to but not called marriage, or should there be no legal recognition given to gay and lesbian relationships?"

60% Legally Married or Legal Partnership
32% No Legal Recognition
7% Unsure

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Oct. 27-31, 2006. N=1,084 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). - "Which comes closest to your view? Gay couples should be allowed to legally marry. OR, Gay couples should be allowed to form civil unions but not legally marry. OR, There should be no legal recognition of a gay couple's relationship."

57% Legal Marriage or Civil Union
38% No Legal Recognition
5% Unsure

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). - "There has been much talk recently about whether gays and lesbians should have the legal right to marry someone of the same sex. Which of the following comes closest to your position on this issue? Do you support FULL marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples; do you support gay civil unions or partnerships, BUT NOT gay marriage; or, do you oppose ANY legal recognition for gay and lesbian couples?"

50% Full Marriage Rights or Civil Unions/Partnerships
40% No Legal Recognition
10% Unsure


http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm
(And to all you liberals out there, I hope you will notice that the ratios of people opposed to all legal recognition are higher among the LIBERAL news sources than they are at Fox....)
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NO ?

Why don't we throw all the rules out the window. Thank god your not in Iran, they execute homosexuals there.

Both of you got more if's , and's or but's than i've ever seen . What's good for one is good for all.Yes or no? Who the hell told you marriage was between two people.Why is polygamy such a phobia to you? That is your opinion and only your opinion. Animals can't consent ?So what ? Love is love boys you have no right to question anything in your politically correct little world. Homosexuals can get married in anyplace they choose,as far as i'm concerned. But they will not benefit from govt. benefits for married couples. That's the way it is . If you don't like it try and change the laws. Only 4 out of 100 senators are with you so good luck.

Ok so WHY should marriage only be between a man and a woman?? You have explained that you feel it should be that way because you only want a man and a woman getting benefits from the govt....but why?? If its for religious reasons then your bringing religion into politics and thats not acceptable. If its because you are a homophobe then again thats just not enough to base it off of.

As for polygamy...believe me I know more about it then you do. Like I said I live in Utah and although its not as bad as it used to be it runs rampant here. One of my best friends is from a polygamist family and she has told me horror stories about what went on there before she got out of it.

CHILDREN are not being given a choice who they marry, they are being married sometimes in their early teens, and then of course the man is sleeping with these women...who are CHILDREN at the time. Not to mention the massive amounts of physical and emotional abuse that is taking place.

That is different then gay marriage. There is no abuse going on if two people who are in love want to get married. They both HAVE TO be of a legal age to consent to marriage so its not like child molestation is going on.

Face it those of you who are against gay marriage are against it because of your religious beliefs, or because you are homophobic. I happen to be a Christian myself, so dont get me wrong I PERSONALLY feel that homosexuality is evil and a sin. HOWEVER it is not my job to bring my religious beliefs into the political arena.
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Your wrong , god has been along for the ride since the beginning. I am not paying my taxes to support homo marriages. Yet i also don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) whether they do it or not ( have personal unions). Just not on my dime. I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) if this doesn't satisfy you. I believe that it is wrong and that's all you need to know. Don't tell me what i need to explain. If you don't know the rear end is an exit and not an entrance then their isn't much hope for you . This is a christian country whether you like it or not.

As far as polygamy, don't give me that "you know more than i do business", i never said anything about underage anything. Beside as you must know with groups like Nambla , age is of no problem. it's all wrong if it's underage.

I believe in God. Yes. I am tolerant to a point. Now if you change the laws legally then i will have to abide by that. Just as you will follow the rules now.
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Ok so what your saying is you dont want gay marriages because of moral and religious reasons. Thank you, thats all I wanted to know.

However dont presume that you know where im coming from either. I agree this country was founded on judeo-christian principles. I am a christian myself and do find homosexuality morally wrong. Like I said before though, the only difference between you and me is that I dont believe I can allow my religious views to get in the way of what I believe is civil rights and government policy. For example I find Rap music to be morally wrong and offensive, however I dont want a ban on it just because I dont like it. I know thats a bit different, however I think I could make the case that impressionable kids listening to stuff like that has caused more problems then Jim & Steve living on the corner together having anal sex has.

And hey your the one that brought up Polygamy, and since you brought it up and compared it to gay marriage I was simply pointing out that there is a difference between two gay people wanting to get married, and a polygamist marriage where you generally have a girl between 12-16 years old being forced to marry her friggin uncle.

Having sex with a teenager is against the law, as far as I know being gay isnt. Thats why I used that example. I said that I know more about polygamy then you because I am close to it here, and like I said one of my best friends is from that lifestyle and she has told me the horror stories about it. I dont know your background or life story, however if there was an issue you were closer to than me, I certainly wouldnt mind you saying that you know more about it then me.

Oh and Nambla is a joke and they are evil and I hope that something is done to crack down on these sick SOB's. All I know is that if some sicko adult ever tries to touch my daughter they better hope that they can outrun me because they are going to have a serious problem on their hands.
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