Thread: Teach Our Children the Truth, or the Progressive Lie?

Originally Posted by Swamp_Music

I am only a student of the Constitution. The term "unconstitutional" literally states that something does not adhere to the Constitution. The Constitution was not written in legal "Es" even though it certainly could have been. Instead it was written in as simple language as could be written at the time specifically SO people like you and I, We the People could debate its meaning, and offer another "check and balance" on the system. In that way the lawyers or members of the political class could not hijack the system. I mainly focus on the wording of the Constitution and their historical context. I just ask questions based on basic knowledge of the Constitution that people like Obama and Democrats simply can’t answer. Why is that?

Constitutional law is pretty simple.

Article 1, Section 8 of The Constitution of the United States says in part:


Notice it states "the powers not delegated..." Why, the word "power(s)" is the same word as in Article 1, Section 8 which states what the federal government can do. The Tenth Amendment states that if the power is not "delegated to the United States by the Constitution" it is reserved to the states, or people.

According to constitutional law precedent the government must first have a power, then must have a separate power to make laws in support or execution of that power. All through the Constitution you see phrases like the following:

“Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. “

“Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”


The things I motioned were created by Democrats from no enumerated constitutional POWER, making them by definition unconstitutional.

Well, I guess it comes down to this age old argument, then...

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Funny how they always leave that out.

Originally Posted by Daybreaker

How 'bout a democratic constitutional republic?

Nope, not gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Blue Bleeder

Well, I guess it comes down to this age old argument, then...



Funny how they always leave that out.

Ah, you should read your own cite. The quote for "welfare" is linked to the following definition:

Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [<ME wel faren, to fare well] Source: AHD

Welfare in today's context also means organized efforts on the part of public or private organizations to benefit the poor, or simply public assistance. This is not the meaning of the word as used in the Constitution.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Your own cite proves MY point. There is no power for Democrats to crate a welfare state on the federal level or COERCE their view of social engineering on a free people.

Originally Posted by GramCleric

Democracy = mob rules.

Republics establish representation for minorities.

1) Democracy = rule by the majority.

2) Anything other than rule by the majority is totalitarianism.

Originally Posted by Swamp_Music

Ah, you should read your own cite. The quote for "welfare" is linked to the following definition:

ROTFLMAO!!! [/INDENT]Your own cite proves MY point. There is no power for Democrats to crate a welfare state on the federal level or COERCE their view of social engineering on a free people.

Again you take it upon yourself to intepret the constitution. Again I am forced to wonder if you really understood it.

Originally Posted by Swamp_Music

Ah, you should read your own cite. The quote for "welfare" is linked to the following definition:

ROTFLMAO!!! [/indent]Your own cite proves MY point. There is no power for Democrats to crate a welfare state on the federal level or COERCE their view of social engineering on a free people.

Umm, I'm not sure what you're laughing about. The "health, happiness, and prosperity" of the "United States Of America" is indeed within the power of congress to legislate. I guess the debate is whether the things you mention fall into that category or not. Apparently, you believe they don't. I believe they do.

Originally Posted by Swamp_Music

The school system teaches that the US is a democracy. We are no such thing. The US is meant to be a “Constitutional Republic.” A democracy is “mob rule.” A Constitutional Republic is majority rule with limits. Under our system the majority can’t vote away someone else’s unalienable rights.

Yet in contrast, the school system still teaches that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and it limits the scope and reach of the federal government, insuring rights in the process. In doing so, the Constitution guarantees individual liberty. The trouble is that is no longer true. We are now a Post Constitutional Republic. The diametrically opposing messages are at best confusing to our children, and at worst propaganda and lies.

The progressives have destroyed the Constitutional Republic. The Constitution is no longer the supreme law of the land, yet those who betray it the most must swear to God to preserve the document.

We should be teaching our children about the Democrat Quiet Coup of 1937. We should be teaching that the Democrat party led by Franklin D Roosevelt sought to unconstitutionally expand the power of the federal government but his actions were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. He then threatened the Supreme Court with dilution (Google the “Switch in Time that Saved Nine” ). Only after that threat did the court “allow” the illegal expansions of government which built the unconstitutional Democrat Welfare State and, and allowed governmental coercive social engineering of a free people.

The children should be taught that they HAD unalienable rights, but those have been taken away in the Democrat Quiet Coup of 1937. They are taught that we are a “democracy.” When some wish to question that “mob rule,” they get to go to the Supreme Court where master unelected positions (with lifetime terms) get to decide their fates. Justices are no longer limited by the document they swear to rule “under.” That is our system currently. That is what the Supreme Court has become after being threatened in 1937, and after Democrats appoint justices who review FOREIGN law when “interpreting” the US Constitution (Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Democrat Clinton Appointee), or believe that Congress has the power to compel the American people by law to eat vegetables every day (Eland Kagan, Democrat Obama appointee).

If the children are not taught the truth how can they understand?

Direct democracy or “mob rule” is what has gotten California into so much financial trouble. The people voted for all kinds of welfare entitlement programs and at the same time they voted for all kinds of tax reduction programs.

In case you are not aware, California ballot propositions can be placed on the state ballot either through the initiative process or by a vote of the state legislature. Propositions were added to the California constitution as part of the ethics reform instituted by Governor Hiram Johnson in the early 1910s.

Originally Posted by GramCleric

Considering not all 100 seats were filled by elected members..

Members elected by an oligarchy that excluded blacks (they were busy working in the fields and enjoying the same status as cattle) and women.

I guess you just proved we are not a democracy.

Since you chose to use the present tense, I can only assume that you forget that the Constitution was amended by the process laid out in the Constitution so that our federal representatives are in fact elected.

So yes, we are living in a democracy. A democrat republic more exactly.

There have been roughly 180ish people who have served without being elected.

The 17th Amendment gave us the power to elect senators. (Before then, legislators elected them).

And that amendment was added using the process detailed in the Constitution.

Thanks for playing.

Any time.

Originally Posted by GramCleric

The United States is not a representative democracy.

No wonder people inadvertently destroy this country from this inside out... ya'll don't even know what kind of government we had established here.

And we wonder why we have problems in this country, when the people who were born here haven't even had enough schooling to know what kind of government we have.

Originally Posted by 1AmericansView

Representative Democracy is what the U.K, Canada, and Australia and a few other countries have. it is not what the United States has. and is not what the founding fathers wanted for the United States. so there is no reason to read more about it when discussing what type of Government the United States is.

2nd time...

And we wonder why we have problems in this country, when the people who were born here haven't even had enough schooling to know what kind of government we have. DOE???