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Old 02-15-2007, 02:38 PM
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Whether Democrat or Republican, to everyone is clear, another arms-walk of the United States meets with consent in the world nowhere.

And whether is demonstrated for or against the Iraq-war, now is unimportant - since the U.S.-armed forces are in the Iraq -, and the tense situation there allows not to withdraw them - all know this and use it for their matter (with reference to the election campaign)

Essentially taken - only polemic - both political camps, not to offer any usable solution of reality, has.

This clearly appears - there from both!!! - only that is returned - what we already know - and what doesn't lead to anything.

You see become - this itself this after a president-election quickly will alter. It is not clear of course which will out-come on that occasion (better - bad?).

Because if it should not yet be known, in the Iraq, a civil war prevails, that is motivated religiously.

And nothing something the United States at the moment could undertake, will finish this war, anyway not in foreseeable time

And one can assume it - that both camps know about this circumstance. However, they will never admit it in the public - that at the moment the situation in the Iraq - not into the grip gotten is.

There, the question poses itself - what do all the debates shall - then, the armed forces cannot withdraw in the moment.

Therefore however only polemic?

Moreover, the rocket-defense-system incriminates the relationships to Rusland! And without the Russians not much lets itself move in the Middle East. I would say that it was tactically unwise to risk this dissonance in the moment. Because without the Russians no usable solution lets itself find. Since a discord with Russia - also follows for the relationship to China has.

And one can certainly be - that Washington knows this!

Therefore - which sense makes the total?

Maybe, one should look behind the facades once before one massacres somebody!
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Old 02-16-2007, 01:05 PM
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It is a necessary evil. It allows the weeds and overgrowth of governments to be removed and replaced with new and better systems. Death disallows overpopulation and starvation. War changes the way people view their lives, allows them to become better people, and helps them shape a better world. It is also something that has been connected with mankind since as far back as any can remember.

Without war, mankind would be no better off than mice, scrabbling for that last bit of food before someone else gets it.

is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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Old 02-16-2007, 01:32 PM
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A war with Iran would possibly be a huge downfall...the facts are the facts and the facts of geography say that Iran borders Iraq...Yes obviously by the recent news Iran is supporting Iraq with weapons (mainly IED's) but if war is called then Bush would have quite a bit of trouble with the Military respect level, moral would go down, and it would be just another unneeded reason to pull our troops out of Iraq. Plus if we go to war with Iran then the allies of Iran would join in and that is not what we need right now for the death would possibly be catastrophic...As the famous saying goes "In peace the youth bury their fathers but in war the fathers bury the youth."


I remember when i was a young boy I would lay in my bed at night and just wonder, wonder when a nuke would be launched and my family and friends would die. It was a childhood terror living during a war with nukes and with Iran supposedly developing nuclear power for "energy" it is only a matter of time before they succeed and team with Iraq publicly. I remember on a other political forum a few years back i mentioned my thoughts about Iraq and Iran coming together to fight us... It's funny how they mocked me for my "unrealistic" thoughts. They said it would never happen but now it seems that I was all too right.

So obviously this has two sides to it, wait for the attack or be the attacker. As the famous saying goes, "There is nothing so possible to make peace then to be ready for the attacker"
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It is a necessary evil. It allows the weeds and overgrowth of governments to be removed and replaced with new and better systems. Death disallows overpopulation and starvation. War changes the way people view their lives, allows them to become better people, and helps them shape a better world. It is also something that has been connected with mankind since as far back as any can remember.

Without war, mankind would be no better off than mice, scrabbling for that last bit of food before someone else gets it.

is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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A war with Iran would possibly be a huge downfall...the facts are the facts and the facts of geography say that Iran borders Iraq...Yes obviously by the recent news Iran is supporting Iraq with weapons (mainly IED's) but if war is called then Bush would have quite a bit of trouble with the Military respect level, moral would go down, and it would be just another unneeded reason to pull our troops out of Iraq. Plus if we go to war with Iran then the allies of Iran would join in and that is not what we need right now for the death would possibly be catastrophic...As the famous saying goes "In peace the youth bury their fathers but in war the fathers bury the youth."


I remember when i was a young boy I would lay in my bed at night and just wonder, wonder when a nuke would be launched and my family and friends would die. It was a childhood terror living during a war with nukes and with Iran supposedly developing nuclear power for "energy" it is only a matter of time before they succeed and team with Iraq publicly. I remember on a other political forum a few years back i mentioned my thoughts about Iraq and Iran coming together to fight us... It's funny how they mocked me for my "unrealistic" thoughts. They said it would never happen but now it seems that I was all too right.

So obviously this has two sides to it, wait for the attack or be the attacker. As the famous saying goes, "There is nothing so possible to make peace then to be ready for the attacker"

would never have been allies if not for Bush and his regime change.
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The last thing we need IMO is another war.
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A war with Iran would possibly be a huge downfall...the facts are the facts and the facts of geography say that Iran borders Iraq...Yes obviously by the recent news Iran is supporting Iraq with weapons (mainly IED's) but if war is called then Bush would have quite a bit of trouble with the Military respect level, moral would go down, and it would be just another unneeded reason to pull our troops out of Iraq. Plus if we go to war with Iran then the allies of Iran would join in and that is not what we need right now for the death would possibly be catastrophic...As the famous saying goes "In peace the youth bury their fathers but in war the fathers bury the youth."


I remember when i was a young boy I would lay in my bed at night and just wonder, wonder when a nuke would be launched and my family and friends would die. It was a childhood terror living during a war with nukes and with Iran supposedly developing nuclear power for "energy" it is only a matter of time before they succeed and team with Iraq publicly. I remember on a other political forum a few years back i mentioned my thoughts about Iraq and Iran coming together to fight us... It's funny how they mocked me for my "unrealistic" thoughts. They said it would never happen but now it seems that I was all too right.

So obviously this has two sides to it, wait for the attack or be the attacker. As the famous saying goes, "There is nothing so possible to make peace then to be ready for the attacker"
In 2003 Iran sent a message to the U.S. via the Swiss that it might be willing to compromise on a wide range of critical issues from its nuclear program to recognition of Israel. The Bush administration spat in their eye.

The recent Administration story that the government of Iran is suppying E.F.Ps to insurgents is so full of holes that its laughable. An article by Michael Knights in Jane's Intelligence Review thoroughly investigates the claim.
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very correct.

Thank you very much. Seriously, If we had an intelligent president then he would have known now was not the time for regime change in Irag. With the fall of the Taliban, there was one less enemy for Iran to worry about. Taking out Saddam wasn't so bad, but the de-Baathification of Iraq has been a disaster. Now Iraq is run by Shiite militias. Good job Georgie.
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