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The legal language of the U.S. should be American English. No foreign language ballots, etc. A good point to restate my opinon that resrvations should be converted to regular property. Indians who don't want to be american citizens can go elsewhere.
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35 tribes are located in OK I will not go into the history of them having their land stolen or the Trail of Tears....I am sassuming your your familiar with this era.


Crap! I can't do that...

The fact the their indiginous language survived at all is amazing given the "English only" "schools" that the white man forced on the tribes. Lets see we stole their land, attempted this type of BS once before to the extentt that we coerced, forced and at times kidnapped their children and forced them to change their names and their language and sever all ties with the "reservation indians" otherwise known as their families while training them for jobs that would never come because of "white" only laws. AND you're offended becuase they don't want to give up their language. Does it hurt you? Does the fact that they want just a tad of respect in some way diminish the coutnry? Your neighborhood? Your world?


Like it or not Native Americans are the ones who are truly native to these lands and if you do not want to afford them this much after all that has been done....
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I think this is a lot of steam blowing. I mean, making English the official language isn't going to force them to stop using their own language, and I doubt the state is very accommodating to the language as it is now.

If they want to preserve their language, they can easily do so simply by continuing to speak it.
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35 tribes are located in OK I will not go into the history of them having their land stolen or the Trail of Tears....I am sassuming your your familiar with this era.
Yes yes ... and how the indians set the terms of interaction with the euros from the beginning (at Jamestown, Plymouth, and Natividad) as violent - attacking a superior civilization - big mistake.


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Crap! I can't do that...

The fact the their indiginous language survived at all is amazing given the "English only" "schools" that the white man forced on the tribes. Lets see we stole their land, attempted this type of BS once before to the extentt that we coerced, forced and at times kidnapped their children and forced them to change their names and their language and sever all ties with the "reservation indians" otherwise known as their families while training them for jobs that would never come because of "white" only laws. AND you're offended becuase they don't want to give up their language. Does it hurt you? Does the fact that they want just a tad of respect in some way diminish the coutnry? Your neighborhood? Your world?
Blah blah blah. The indians came in successive waves, each one plundering the land of the last. Whoever was on the land when the whites showed up was just the last in a long succession of thieves. I'm of english, irish, scots, italian, and german descent - and I don't give a crap about anyone preserving those cultures. If the indians want to preserve their culture from hundreds of years ago and live in the past, fine but do it on their own time and their own dime.

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Like it or not Native Americans are the ones who are truly native to these lands and if you do not want to afford them this much after all that has been done....
No, they aren't the only ones - I was born in this country - you are misusing language. The U.S. doesn't grant, or at least shouldn't grant, any special status to anyone depending on how long their ancestors were here. We already have one class of super-citizens - blacks - we don't need more. And "native american" is another one of those silly ass lib PC semantic inventions - "America" is a geopolitical entity invented by persons of european descent - it has NOTHING to do with indians.
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The legal language of the U.S. should be American English.
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No foreign language ballots, etc.
So it's okay to strip citizens of basic rights on the basis of language proficiency?

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A good point to restate my opinon that resrvations should be converted to regular property. Indians who don't want to be american citizens can go elsewhere.
Do you have a clue about the history of Indian reservations? Let's start with a basic one: they're sovereign nations, though with certain diminished powers. All of their citizens are also American citizens, but that doesn't change the basic relationship.
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Yes yes ... and how the indians set the terms of interaction with the euros from the beginning (at Jamestown, Plymouth, and Natividad) as violent - attacking a superior civilization - big mistake.
It actually illustrates a mistake Americans make time and time again. There were a lot of tribes of Natives. Some were peaceful, some not. But as is typically the case when there are a lot of groups with varying goals and not all of them peaceful... there were various alliances.
The pilgrims meant well when they made friends with some Natives... but they didn't take into account that the tribes they befriended had enemies... and in befriending they gained enemies.
But as is typical of "superior" cultures, the new Americans took out their frustration on all the Natives, including those they befriend. Because Americans seem to have issue seeing differences in groups that are not their own.
Fast forward to today and our adventures in the Muslim world. No. We "superiors" never learn, do we?
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This is your typical drivel...

"them there indians should pack up."

They were sorta here ahead of us by a few thousand years.......

maybe we should all adopt Navajo language?

Its perfectly acceptable for a man to accept the gods of his forefathers...

You forget what it is to truly be an American, and that is Freedom, freedom to practice the dogma you beleive, and freedom to speak a language within your sub-culture..

Banks, business in generall, in the US, should not have to learn anything outside of English to conduct business..

But to say that the land given to these tribes is too much, is just backwards. All of those reservations are crap land anyway...

You an Iminent Domain supporter? you support a state-religion too?

I understand what your saying, and sometimes people have difficulty conducting themselves in a corporate setting due to language barriers..

but you also happened to say the stupidest thing I've ever read..

those indians ARE america you fool....their a proud part of what it is to be an american...Thanksgiving...Cheif Joseph......ya know...Important American history.

I think we should have a governmental language (english, the language of commerce) but to say that Living together as a community, and speaking their NATIVE tounge within that community is wrong......

thats just the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

You are NOT a true American...your a socialist. you want governmental control....You don't want parenting, you want social programs..

You make me sick.
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35 tribes are located in OK I will not go into the history of them having their land stolen or the Trail of Tears....I am sassuming your your familiar with this era.
Yes yes ... and how the indians set the terms of interaction with the euros from the beginning (at Jamestown, Plymouth, and Natividad) as violent - attacking a superior civilization - big mistake.


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Crap! I can't do that...

The fact the their indiginous language survived at all is amazing given the "English only" "schools" that the white man forced on the tribes. Lets see we stole their land, attempted this type of BS once before to the extentt that we coerced, forced and at times kidnapped their children and forced them to change their names and their language and sever all ties with the "reservation indians" otherwise known as their families while training them for jobs that would never come because of "white" only laws. AND you're offended becuase they don't want to give up their language. Does it hurt you? Does the fact that they want just a tad of respect in some way diminish the coutnry? Your neighborhood? Your world?
Blah blah blah. The indians came in successive waves, each one plundering the land of the last. Whoever was on the land when the whites showed up was just the last in a long succession of thieves. I'm of english, irish, scots, italian, and german descent - and I don't give a crap about anyone preserving those cultures. If the indians want to preserve their culture from hundreds of years ago and live in the past, fine but do it on their own time and their own dime.

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Like it or not Native Americans are the ones who are truly native to these lands and if you do not want to afford them this much after all that has been done....
No, they aren't the only ones - I was born in this country - you are misusing language. The U.S. doesn't grant, or at least shouldn't grant, any special status to anyone depending on how long their ancestors were here. We already have one class of super-citizens - blacks - we don't need more. And "native american" is another one of those silly ass lib PC semantic inventions - "America" is a geopolitical entity invented by persons of european descent - it has NOTHING to do with indians.



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