Thread: The “hockey stick” theory is now discredited: How fanaticism substitutes for science

Originally Posted by James Cessna

Excellent response, Dan 40.

Global warming was a fairly well accepted theory before Michael Mann came on the scene in the late 1990s with his wild assertions and his political agenda.

Unfortunately, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) bought this fradulent sicence hook, line and sinker!

"The embarrassment that it caused to many scientists working in the field of climatology will not be soon forgotten."

The entire discussion of global warming has been so polluted by political and activist frenzy that it has become very hard to dig into it to reach the science.

For example, what happens to the CO2 emissions that are produced by human industrialism? I'll wager most of the self-styled global warming activists don't even know!

Well, for one thing, most of the CO2 emissions are absorbed by the oceans which cover 75 percent of the earth's surface.

Here is an excellent article that was published in Technology Review by MIT on the subject of global warming activism and the real science that we can believe.

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/?a=f

This is also from her 4th link.

"As the surface
warms, the hydrologic cycle (evaporation, precipitation, and runoff) accelerates
causing temperatures to rise even higher. Water vapor, the most powerful natural
greenhouse gas, traps additional heat and brings average surface air temperatures
up."

Just WHAT are we supposed to do about WATER VAPOR? That deadly gas that will surely kill us all?

Originally Posted by MannieD

How about the science of climate?

Can you or anyone here see the false assumption you are making?
And even if Mann is wrong, the conclusion that humans influence climate is correct.

MannieD,

Your conclusion that humans influence the world’s climate is very true.

However, our contributions are small when compared to nature's own contributions.

The big natural drivers in world climate change include increases in solar energy output, changes in the directed flow of ocean currents, changes in world cloud cover and other natural causes like volcano eruptions that release copious amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere and the release of methane gas by solid methane hydrates that are situated on the vast ocean sea floor.

Our contributions to world climate change are similar to a grain of sand in a swimming pool.

Originally Posted by Dan40

This is also from her 4th link.

"As the surface
warms, the hydrologic cycle (evaporation, precipitation, and runoff) accelerates
causing temperatures to rise even higher. Water vapor, the most powerful natural
greenhouse gas, traps additional heat and brings average surface air temperatures
up."

Just WHAT are we supposed to do about WATER VAPOR? That deadly gas that will surely kill us all?

You are correct, Dan40.

The self-styled environmentalists in this group would have us stop breathing!

The big natural drivers in world climate change include increases in solar energy output, changes in the directed flow of ocean currents, changes in world cloud cover and other natural causes like volcano eruptions that release copious amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere and the release of methane gas by solid methane hydrates that are situated on the vast ocean sea floor.

Water vapor released by the breath of humans and other animals is a strong greenhouse gas, and it too causes the atmosphere to warm.

Again, our man-made contributions to world climate change are similar to a grain of sand in a swimming pool.

Originally Posted by Dan40

This is also from her 4th link.

"As the surface
warms, the hydrologic cycle (evaporation, precipitation, and runoff) accelerates
causing temperatures to rise even higher. Water vapor, the most powerful natural
greenhouse gas, traps additional heat and brings average surface air temperatures
up."

Just WHAT are we supposed to do about WATER VAPOR? That deadly gas that will surely kill us all?

Amount of WV in the atmosphere depends on temperature. WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days. Amount of CO2 in the atmosphere does not depend on temperature. CO2 takes decades to be removed from the atmosphere.

Originally Posted by James Cessna

MannieD,

Your conclusion that humans influence the world’s climate is very true.

However, our contributions are small when compared to nature's own contributions.

The big natural drivers in world climate change include increases in solar energy output, changes in the directed flow of ocean currents, changes in world cloud cover and other natural causes like volcano eruptions that release copious amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere and the release of methane gas by solid methane hydrates that are situated on the vast ocean sea floor.

Our contributions to world climate change are similar to a grain of sand in a swimming pool.

So I post a link to explain the science and you don't even bother reading it? Why do you ask for information if you have already made up your mind? If that's the case, I really don't care if you continue to remain ignorant of the facts, maths and theory of climate. But I am not going to waste my time with someone who wants to preach instead of discuss!

Originally Posted by James Cessna

You are correct, Dan40.

The self-styled environmentalists in this group would have us stop breathing!

The big natural drivers in world climate change include increases in solar energy output, changes in the directed flow of ocean currents, changes in world cloud cover and other natural causes like volcano eruptions that release copious amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere and the release of methane gas by solid methane hydrates that are situated on the vast ocean sea floor.

Water vapor released by the breath of humans and other animals is a strong greenhouse gas, and it too causes the atmosphere to warm.

Again, our man-made contributions to world climate change are similar to a grain of sand in a swimming pool.

There is also widely accepted scientific evidence of increased temperatures on Mars. It must be caused by those fleets of Rovers we've sent there causing traffic jams all over the Red Planet!
It is either man's fault, or Bush's fault.

Originally Posted by MannieD

Amount of WV in the atmosphere depends on temperature. WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days. Amount of CO2 in the atmosphere does not depend on temperature. CO2 takes decades to be removed from the atmosphere.

So I post a link to explain the science and you don't even bother reading it? Why do you ask for information if you have already made up your mind? If that's the case, I really don't care if you continue to remain ignorant of the facts, maths and theory of climate. But I am not going to waste my time with someone who wants to preach instead of discuss!

You have to be kidding me!

Your link, "The Science of Doom" is a personal blog. It contains nothing but opinions by people who are non-scientists.

There is no reputable science information in this source whatsoever.

In all due respect, if this is the best you can do, you need to go back and take a basic science course in middle school!

By the way, what evidence do you have that, "WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days"?

Anyone who knows anything about science knows water vapor is always present in the atmosphere as long as the relative humidity is above zero percent!

By the way, the clouds you see in the sky? ... Clouds are nothing more than condensed water vapor!

Again, if this is the best you can do, you need to go back and take a basic science course in middle school!

Originally Posted by James Cessna

You have to be kidding me!

Your link, "The Science of Doom" is a personal blog. It contains nothing but opinions by people who are non-scientists.

There is no reputable science information in this source whatsoever.

In all due respect, if this is the best you can do, you need to go back and take a basic science course in middle school!

By the way, what evidence do you have that, "WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days"?

Anyone who knows anything about science knows water vapor is always present in the atmosphere as long as the relative humidity is above zero percent!

By the way, the clouds you see in the sky? ... Clouds are nothing more than condensed water vapor!

Again, if this is the best you can do, you need to go back and take a basic science course in middle school!

Then you should have an easy time correcting his "opinions". You can start here:

Originally Posted by MannieD

Then you should have an easy time correcting his "opinions". You can start here:

Come now!

This information is out of date and incomplete and you know it!

Here is the discalimer that was included with the article.

"Note: This article was significantly updated August 5th, 2010. Therefore, many comments became obsolete, or at least proved their worth, by encouraging an update"

By the way, what evidence do you have that, "WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days"?

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Again, if this is the best you can do, you need to go back and take a basic science course in middle school!

Then you will be able to correct the article!

Haha!

Originally Posted by James Cessna

Come now!

This information is out of date and incomplete and you know it!

Here is the discalimer that was included with the article.

"Note: This article was significantly updated August 5th, 2010. Therefore, many comments became obsolete, or at least proved their worth, by encouraging an update"

Yeah, I did not think you could.
Please read the disclaimer carefully! Note by bold. "comments" in the comments section have become obsolete; not the facts in the article.

Originally Posted by MannieD

Yeah, I did not think you could.
Please read the disclaimer carefully! Note by bold. "comments" in the comments section have become obsolete; not the facts in the article.

You are funny!

You are blowing smoke and you know it!

Again, what evidence do you have that, "WV is removed from the atmosphere in a matter of days"?

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