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  1. Default The “hockey stick” theory is now discredited: How fanaticism substitutes for science

    Here is an excellent review of the rise and eventual demise of the "Hockey Stick" theory.

    Unfortunately, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) bought this fradulent sicence hook, line and sinker!

    "The embarrassment that it caused to many scientists working in the field of climatology will not be soon forgotten."

    World Climate Report: Mann et al.’s "Hockey Stick", 1998-2005, R.I.P.

    Filed under: Climate History, Paleo/Proxy, Temperature History —

    "The saga of the “hockey stick” will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become “mainstream” thought overnight."

    The “hockey stick” theory is now discredited: How it quickly became the poster child for anthropogenic global warming.

    The “hockey stick” representation of the temperature behavior of the past 1,000 years is broken, dead. Although already reeling from earlier analyses aimed at its midsection, the knockout punch was just delivered by Nature magazine. Thus the end of this palooka: that the climate of the past millennium was marked by about 900 years of nothing and then 100 years of dramatic temperature rise caused by people. The saga of the “hockey stick” will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become “mainstream” thought overnight.

    ]It’s called the “hockey stick” because its long handle corresponds to 900 years (from 1000 to 1900) of little temperature variation, and its blade represents 100 years (1900 to 1999) of rapid temperature rise (Figure 1).

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    Figure 1. Mann et al.’s “hockey stick”—the multi-proxy temperature reconstruction of the Northern Hemisphere for the past 1,000 years (blue line with gray shading depicting confidence bands). The red line is the temperature data from actual observations. (Source: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2001).


    However, the shape of the “hockey stick” looked strangely out of place against the existing knowledge of the climate of the past millennium. Where was the Little Ice Age (LIA)—a well-documented cold period lasting from about the 16th to the 19th century? And where was the Medieval Warm Period (MWP)—a relatively warmer period extending from about 11th to the 13th century? By containing little indication that these climate episodes existed, the “hockey stick” presents a completely new picture of the climate of the past 1,000 years.

    The third dissenting voice was that of Jan Esper and colleagues in 2004. Esper is an expert in climate reconstructions based upon tree-ring records (the primary type of proxy data relied upon by Mann et al. in creating the “hockey stick”). It turns out that one must be careful when using tree rings to reconstruct long-term climate variability because as the tree itself ages, the widths of the annual rings that it produces changes—even absent any climatic variations.

    This growth trend needs to be taken into account when trying to interpret any climate data contained in the tree-ring records. In most cases, the tree-ring records are first detrended to remove this growth trend, and then the remaining variation in the rings is used to derive a climate signal. The problem with this technique is that by detrending the tree-ring record, long-term climate trends are lost as well. Esper et al. point out that this could be one likely reason why the handle of the “hockey stick” is so flat—it lacks the centennial-scale variations that were lost in the standardization of its primary data source. Using an alternative technique that attempted to preserve as much of the information about long-term climate variations as possible from historical tree-ring records, Esper and colleagues derived their own annual Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction.

    The result (Figure 2) is a 1,000-yr temperature history in which the LIA and the MWP are much more pronounced than the “hockey stick” reconstruction—more evidence that the “hockey stick” underestimates the true level of natural climate variation.

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    Figure 2. A comparison of 1,000-year temperature reconstructions. The red line is the temperature history of the Northern Hemisphere as developed by Mann and colleagues, a.k.a. “the Hockey Stick.” The blue line represents the Northern Hemispheric temperature history as constructed by Esper’s research team (source: Esper et al., 2002).

    Had the original reconstruction by Mann and colleagues looked like the latest reconstruction by Moberg et al., no one would have paid it much attention, because it would have fit nicely with the expectations given all of the prior research on the climate history of the past millennium. It would have been nothing remarkable.

    But, the “hockey stick” was remarkable. And as such, it will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become mainstream thought overnight. The embarrassment that it caused to many scientists working in the field of climatology will not be soon forgotten. Hopefully, new findings to come, as remarkable and enticing as they may first appear, will be greeted with a bit more caution and thorough investigation before they are widely accepted as representing the scientific consensus.

    www.worldclimatereport.com

    Please also see: http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm
    Note: This review was inadvertently posted twice when the second reference was included.
    Last edited by James Cessna; Jun 04 2011 at 02:35 PM.


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    I've never heard a credible scientist deny that there was medieval warming or that it was followed by a period of cooling. That's what climate science predicts, that global warming can trigger ice-ages, but it can also cause drastic climate and oceanic change in the meantime. This is what you are talking about.



    The amount of atmosphere that mankind adds, on top of natural gasses from volcanoes, plants and animals, is significant and exponentially rising. There is only a finite amount of Co2 that the biosphere can absorb naturally. No matter what you might believe about how certain graphs are compiled, the fact remains that we are rapidly accelerating natural processes that will lead to major changes in our habitat.

    No intelligent person would deny that.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    - Benjamin Franklin, 1775

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    Way behind the curve once more, I see. Have you anything more up to date than 2002?

    Such as this?
    " ... The paper “Robustness of the Mann, Bradley, Hughes reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere surface temperatures: Examination of criticisms based on the nature and processing of proxy climate evidence” by Wahl and Ammann assesses the results of the MBH98 by using principal component analysis in the appropriate way. Wahl and Ammann also looked at the impact of removing the Bristlecone and Foxtail Pine proxy data which McIntyre and McKitrick had criticized the use of in both MBH98 and MBH99. They published the results of their work and you can see the impact that this had on the shape of the Hockey Stick in the graph below.



    http://oxfordkevin.carbonclimate.org/?p=323

    Or this:
    "An Investigatory Committee of faculty members with impeccable credentials" has unanimously "determined that Dr. Michael E. Mann did not engage in, nor did he participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community for proposing, conducting, or reporting research, or other scholarly activities."

    http://tribes.tribe.net/altenergy/th...1-5aa3705f3c1c
    Hello! I'm from Europe, the place where history comes from.

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    "The amount of atmosphere that mankind adds, on top of natural gasses from volcanoes, plants and animals, is significant and exponentially rising. There is only a finite amount of Co2 that the biosphere can absorb naturally. No matter what you might believe about how certain graphs are compiled, the fact remains that we are rapidly accelerating natural processes that will lead to major changes in our habitat."

    JoeSixPack,

    If you are really convinced that man's contributions are this significant, please provide a credible source that supports your conclusions.

    Without reliable sources, these comments are mere speculation and unsupported conclusions on your part!

    Ahha!

    I knew you could not provide a reliable source that supports your conclusions!

    How did I know that?

    James Cessna
    Last edited by James Cessna; Jun 04 2011 at 03:23 PM.

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    I believe in Science...really I do.

    in fact, I like graphs which show time periods of 1000 or 2000 years...and sometimes even 600,000 years of "data"

    good stuff...all of it is.

    but does anyone have a chart showing "data" with something more than that mere .0002% of Earth's 4.5 billion year existence!??...so we can see a REAL and ACCURATE display of global temperatures over some actual relevant time period??

    no...didn't think so.

    I thought the AGW believers believed in science...

    15 million years ago, Science says there was as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is now.

    When there were no people and no Industrial Revolution.

    What was the cause then...and more importantly, why is that not the cause now??

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    <<<Mod Edit: Flamebait Removed>>> uncritically taking stuff from an astroturf website paid for by the coal and oil industry.:


    World Climate Report, a concise, hard-hitting and scientifically correct response to the global change reports which gain attention in the literature and popular press. As the nation’s leading publication in this realm, World Climate Report is exhaustively researched, impeccably referenced, and always timely. This popular web log points out the weaknesses and outright fallacies in the science that is being touted as “proof” of disastrous warming. It’s the perfect antidote against those who argue for proposed changes to the Rio Climate Treaty, such as the Kyoto Protocol, which are aimed at limiting carbon emissions from the United States.

    Acclaimed by those on both sides of the global warming debate, World Climate Report has become the definitive and unimpeachable source for what Nature now calls the “mainstream skeptic” point of view, which is that climate change is a largely overblown issue and that the best expectation is modest change over the next 100 years. WCR is often cited by prominent scientists and lawmakers and is a surprisingly enjoyable read—which may account for its broad appeal.

    http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/about-us/



    ...And the staff:

    Chief Editor: Patrick J. Michaels

    Contributing Editor: Robert C. Balling, Jr.

    Contributing Editor: Robert E. Davis

    Patrick J. Michaels (±1942- ), also known as Pat Michaels, is a largely oil-funded global warming skeptic who argues that global warming models are fatally flawed and, in any event, we should take no action because new technologies will soon replace those that emit greenhouse gases.

    This guy runs with the Cato Institute.


    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ck_J._Michaels


    Robert C. Balling, Jr. accepts money from Coal and oil companies.


    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/per...sheet.php?id=5

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ert_C._Balling


    A search for the address leads us to a post office box.
    Last edited by cenydd; Jun 04 2011 at 11:57 PM.
    "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness" (Ps. lxxxii. 5). Truth, in spite of all its powerful manifestations, is completely withheld from them, and the following words of Scripture may be applied to them, "And now men see not the light which is bright in the skies" (Job xxxvii. 21). They are the multitude of ordinary men: there is no need to notice them in this treatise.

    :- Maimonides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    <<<Mod Edit: Flamebait Removed>>> uncritically taking stuff from an astroturf website paid for by the coal and oil industry.:
    <<<Mod Edit: Response to Flamebait Removed>>> maybe you can help me with something that still puzzles me:

    15 million years ago, Science says there was as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is now.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1008152242.htm

    When there were no people and no Industrial Revolution.

    What was the cause then...and more importantly, why is that not the cause now??

    This proves that even without Man's existence, Nature can indeed cause current CO2 levels...right?
    Last edited by cenydd; Jun 04 2011 at 11:57 PM.

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    This proves that even without Man's existence, Nature can indeed cause current CO2 levels...right?
    Yes of course that is true because carbon and oxygen are elemental to the planet.

    However that is not the issue.

    Do you really think that we will survive unchanged in that atmosphere?
    "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness" (Ps. lxxxii. 5). Truth, in spite of all its powerful manifestations, is completely withheld from them, and the following words of Scripture may be applied to them, "And now men see not the light which is bright in the skies" (Job xxxvii. 21). They are the multitude of ordinary men: there is no need to notice them in this treatise.

    :- Maimonides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    JoeSixPack,

    If you are really convinced that man's contributions are this significant, please provide a credible source that supports your conclusions.

    Without reliable sources, these comments are mere speculation and unsupported conclusions on your part!
    It's called Chemistry 101.

    But for further reading, try these:

    The US Department of Energy:
    http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/co2....smoothed.yr20

    NASA:
    http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

    http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    How did I know that?
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    Last edited by daisydotell; Jun 04 2011 at 05:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel K View Post
    Way behind the curve once more, I see. Have you anything more up to date than 2002?
    Come now!

    Good Grief! ... Are you aware your data are nothing more than the discredited `Hockey Stick' data extended out two years by simple curve fit to the year 2002?

    Again, where is evidence of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age?

    Answer: It's not there!

    Here is what these data should look like.



    Check this out and compare your graph to this famous graph of the "Hockey Stick" model. Guess what! Both graphs are the same from years 1400-2000!

    Nice try, but no cigar!



    The Discredited`Hockey Stick'. From the diagram, the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age have disappeared, to be replaced by a largely benign and slightly cooling linear trend in climate - until 1900 AD.
    Last edited by James Cessna; Jun 04 2011 at 04:01 PM.

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