Now you're just trolling, Jake. Especially for someone who claims to have multiple advanced science degrees.

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I thought we liberals were supposed to be the ones who hate America.

I think the better question, is what do Jake and TB like about America?

How can you apply the Constitution without applying ideology? That's the biggest problem I have with social cons. You guys look at something written down and imagine that what you get out of it is the only possible outcome. This is very strange coming from a group that manages to ignore scientific evidence in favor of some ID "theory". I'd figure you guys could understand something about perspective.
That's why I think the best makeup of the Supreme Court is a mixed one. When you have people of different perspectives arguing about something, you might get something similar to the truth out of it... rather than the notions of people so elitist that they think their point of view is the only one.

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The better question is, why can't Ixtellor figure out that the country and the government aren't the same thing?

I love this country. I just hate what the government is doing to my country.

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Well said. I stand corrected.

Ixtellor

Honestly I'm not so much interested in defending the fed education agency. I'm merely pointing out that all this sensationalism about our standards falling is a bunch of emotionally charged crap. The honest way to approach it is to say "We want more out of it than we are getting." But in most ways the education of today reaches more people and has higher standards than it has in the past.

The only two orgs mentioned that I'd actually defend all the way are NASA and CPB... and honestly I think CPB could survive being cut to the minimum (an oversight board) and get more from donations.
NASA however fulfills a necessary task that is not thoroughly taken on by any private sector entity. Vacations in space are not the point of NASA. NASA expands our knowledge of the universe and of technology and helps to develop technology for public good. The private industries that wish to use NASA technology save by having NASA find it for them. Chances are they could not exist without NASA.

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-opening from Tales From the Darkside

I have two scientific degrees, I don't support "ID", and your blather is completely incoherent.

More gibberish. The best makeup of the constitution is people who will enforce the constitution.

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Why cut it to the minimum? Why not go all the way, let liberals COMPLETELY control it, give up the "public" masquerade, and give it an appropriate name like Air America TV?

Nonsense - NASA takes on tasks (other than national security) that would lose in a vote by taxpayers. Take a vote among the people if they want to finance these shuttle trips, largely nothing but photo-ops for ethnically balanced crews.

Watch out when libs pronounce pompously about the "public good". NASA's technology has been developed largely to conduct meaningless expeditions into space, with frequent failures.

Let the industries get it themselves if they want it.

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Can't believe I forgot this one - the Federal Reserve

And here's why it should be abolished immediately:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26674

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I do agree that NASA should be dismembered. Going into outerspace as where we stand right now is a very dangerous idea with many dangerous outcomes that I foresee in our not so distant future.

We should turn back and take that money in exploring the oceans. The oceans lie in wake with many secrets that can offer mankind much more to benefit from and with the same technological advances. Deep Sea technology is very much the same as Deep Space and therefore the same or similar enough technological requirements are necessary and those requirements would lead to the same advancements.

Plus there was a form of algae discovered off of Hawaii that increases brain development. Therefore, there is much to benefit from the see besides miles and miles of new land to help move out over crowded cities and provinces across the world.

Agreed.

I think it needs to be reformed but not closed. Education is a national interest so I doubt anyone would take closing it as much of a serious issue as reforming it.

Agreed.

Agreed

Agreed

Ten year terms. I like that idea.

Although I am very sensitive to Native Americans as they are an endangered people, I do agree that reservations are not necessary since they do more harm than good, especially towards Native Americans.

Though I support the freedom for everyone to have an opportunity to make a better living for themselves. I must agree with this too. It would be better for Mexicans to change their own country to make the living conditions better for themselves and be rewarded as heroes rather than bringing their problems to the United States.

Fox I feel is more of a threat than PBS. At least PBS shows media not coming straight out of the white house and thus shows a different perspective that very well acknowledged world wide as opposed to that which is being used on American citizens.


National Education Association? No... I disagree.

From what I can gather from you post on that thread. The Federal Reserve should be raided rather than just simply abolished.