You see in the paper, GM sales have slumped.

You look on the back of a product box and there's a 9/10 chance it was made in China.

The local plant in your town has closed down; everyone's laid off as the company gets set to outsource a thousand jobs down to Mexico.

You watch as people sneek into this country with no desire to learn our language or help our government.

You do nothing.

Maybe it's just me but I feel like most Americans don't take any pride in this country. Sure, you stick a camera in their face and they'll say they love this country and tell you how proud they are to live here, but I'm not feeling any commitment to American interests from many people. I know many of you can argue that we're in a free market and there's no reason other countries should be able to trade their goods with us, but that's not my point. They're not what petubs me. It's little Jimmy Tightwad out there that would rather save a dollar than support the American economy. A Toyota could cost a thousand less and get those extra two miles to the gallon, but I've always felt that loyalty to this country and the hard working people and buisnesses in it was more important. And it's not just the consumers. There are companies that outsource thousands of jobs a year to sweat shop factories and it's just sickening.
I wanted to keep this opening statement breif. I know there are many points I've yet to make and arguements that I haven't even tried to negate but I meant this be simple question to what I hope is a long, provocative discussion: Has nationalism taken a backseat to the almighty dollar?

Economic communism parading as patriotism and nationalism.

What happened to the free market principles?

What has puzzled me is whether free market economics works at global scales. I have been convinced, through experience, statistics, and the opinions of people I trust that the free market has worked on a national scale. I wonder if the villagers thought 'Would the free market work on a county level?' when economies got that big, but even though the county weathered the storm, does it mean that free market economics can be applied at any size? Will it still work, but be more complicated? Will it not be more complicated but just support more people? Is it possible? If our economy becomes globalized, how are we to truly know whether the market is working? Who are we to trust to give us this information? Is some segregation acceptable to act toward the good of all considered, such as the creation of national borders? There is a lot about economics that I don't understand when applied to the global level, and an equal level of apprehension and fear to go along with it.

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So this thing just hitting the U.S Sane one. Britain, the country that invented football, struggle against teams you've never even heard of. We used to own most of this world through our colonies right? So you'd think we'd be pioneeering this world right about now, instead we get beat at everything, don't manifacture anything but gun/knife culture and get our sailors kidnapped by people who used to be our servants! I like your resistence tactics sane one but I think your gonna have to get used to this one! Good luck!

I suppose most of your nationalistic feeling in the U.S has been drummed out of you with false wars like the one's your currently engaged in.

Globalisation has not occurred..... yet. Protectionist practices in the large economies has been restrictive. Demanding Jamaica to open up to the free market while still applying protectionist policies in the US and Eurozone is detrimental to the principles behind the free market.

You are now questioning whether the Market is the right vehicle to set prices and react to demand. The way to put the genie in the bottle is isolationist policies, which personally in my opinion would be good for the rest of the world. But the US government does like to interfere in other sovereign state business.

You can't have both.

Economic communism parading as patriotism and nationalism.

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(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) man, take the time to read and understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying we should close down the free market. I'm not tellling you you have to buy a Chevy. If you read the whole way through, you'd know that. Bust you just wanted to pop in and call me a commy (doosh). All I'm asking is shouldn't people at least feel compelled, out of love for this country, to buy American products? You see it in every other country. People in Japan don't want to buy American (look at the abysmal 360 sales). They like the idea of buying Japanese made products. It's not because they can't; it's because they don't want too (well hight tariffs don't help, but that's beside the point). My point is, I'd just like to see a little more nationalism.

I suppose most of your nationalistic feeling in the U.S has been drummed out of you with false wars like the one's your currently engaged in.[/quote]


Actually, I'm for the war in Iraq. The thought that we're out there helping (well trying at least) other countries makes me feel proud. But let's keep Iraq out of it.
But what I'm talking about isn't something you can fix with imperialism or a tariff. It's the simple pride that one gets from using American made goods. It stems for love for one's country. Even if our global influence bottomed out tomorrow, people could still feel proud to be an American. They could still buy American products. I'm not trying to force people to buy Xbox and Chevy. I'm not trying to ban Citgo. It's like the Geico commercial. Just a little loyalty would be nice.

What they won't tell you is that during the "land yacht" craze, sales went through the roof. Now that sales are going back down to normal levels, they're calling it a "slump."

Thanks to things like taxation and minimum wage increases, it's more profitable to get stuff from China, than manufacture it here (OOPS! There's that "profit" word that Commucrats hate to hear!...sorry 'bout that).

Go ahead and thank the Imperial Government for their oppressive "bleed the rich" taxation. Against the best wishes of this country's socialists, companies are in the business of making money, not "contributing to the common good, or the Imperial Government. They will find ways of making money, even if it means going out of the country to do so.

Thank your Imperial Government on this one. You see criminals...they see more voters. They don't care what you think, they only care about keeping or wrestling power from "the other party."

Don't fool yourself. Self-preservation trumps "nationalism" every time. This goes for businesses as well as individuals.

I do agree. The immigration problem is only so big because the government won't do anything. They hope they can appease them and in so doing get their vote. But you know if the people really voiced their opinion on the subject, the politicians would change their tune. If they knew the true majority would drop them all at once, they would shape up. But that's the problem. People are too apathetic. They aren't willing to do what is necessary. Politics are all but forgotten in the mind of the average Joe. Like wise, the average Joe is all but forgotten in the minds of the politicians. They don't care about their nation. Neither does their nation care for them.

Agreed. But this isn't about economics which do have massive problems of their own. I would argue that American Patriotism is not dead, it's just shrinking and no longer visible in many places. The South and mid west are the most patriotic parts of America, I think. Mainly because the American way of life is still dominant there and hasn't been largely perverted yet by minorities and politicians. The people there are christian and mostly white and their way of life hasn't been interfered with or copromised that much. Well, then there was that stupid Mic bastard John F Kennedy. The South still hates him but anyhow, there is still patriotism and nationalist outlook in America and it is represented by the military. More than half of the military comes from the south and midwest. Few people are in the military from california. Hmm.

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