Maybe if you asked specific questions I would answer you.

Again you FAILED to answer my question.
I did not ask why Muslims are fighting side by side with Americans.
I asked why Americans are fighting side by side with one group of Muslims.
According to you and "proof" the entire Muslim religion is basically the "Enemy."
You quote two chapters and then state that All Muslim believe and are willing to carry out what is written in those two chapters.
You and "Proof" have stated that All Muslims are potential terrorist because or two chapters in a religious book.
You have stated that all Muslims want to take over the world in some great holy war.
So, if you want us to believe that?
Why are Americans fighting side by side with a particular group of Muslims?
You and "Proof" say that all Muslims are the same and strongly believe the same two chapters.
These are things two two have stated over and over.
My point has always been that you can not group an entire race of people and label all of them potential terrorists.
Now "Proof" is saying that if a Muslim does not want to actually do the killing, they can just call the "Muslim police or hit man or whatever to do the killing for them.
That's how he continues to group them all together.
So if all Muslims are the same; why are American soldiers dying to defended some of them?

I, and others here, believe that not ALL Muslims believe those two chapters.
Just because they all acknowledge that those two chapters exist does not mean that all Muslims will carry out what is written in those chapters.
You can "proof" can not seem to accept that fact that some Muslims simply want to live their own lives in peace.
Most muslim women are not giving birth to children so the father can train them to be potential terrorists.
Most Muslim fathers are not raising and teaching their children how to kill non muslims.
So,
1) why do you and Proof continue to group all Muslims under the same Holy War Terrorists" label?
And,
2) Why Americans are fighting side by side with one group of Muslims if all Muslims are suppose to be potential terrorists?

I ALWAYS answer your questions.., you Drop mine like hot potatoes- as they completley Gut your theories.
Notice None of those original arguments on page one and two are still going. You lost em ALL.


Pre-#1

Here's what I said quantitatvely PAGE 1 of this string:
Losing every premise as you do, your refuge is posing the strawman of 'All' so you can show it isn't 'all' even though a simple majority would debunk you. As it Has!

"The last two chapters of the Koran" is just a diversion from a discussion you already lost and droppped.

#1. I certainly do NOT put all Muslims under the "terrorist label.
You are deluded or intentionally misquoting me from this very string.
Here's what I said about Muslim "terrorists," again/Later on Page 1 of this string Mr delusion/MISQUOTER

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Leaving.....

#2. Americans are fighting with some Muslims, in an apparently Misguided if altruistic attempt, to try and Change the Muslim Arab world with 'Democracy'.
Alas tribalism, the Arab way for thousands of years, is winning. Iraq was Thought to be less pious than other Arab countries, perhaps, it looks now, just suppressed by their strongman Saddam.

That covers not only your questions, but your premises/micharacterizations you didn't even ask for.
What will he be down to in his reply?
Perhaps More Gross Mischarcterizations? or another "Yeah but if"

paul111,
Your not to smart are you?
Now "Proof" is saying that if a Muslim does not want to actually do the killing, they can just call the "Muslim police or hit man or whatever to do the killing for them.

That's stupid what you wrote there. The way you wrote that it's shallow and crazy.
Islam teaches that if Allah did not call you to Jihad then it is a sin if you kill.
and in a system where Islam is the majority the leader who are in charge would full fill
the chapters because most of the time those people, so they say are called by Allah
so can kill infidels. Alone a Muslim is not dangerous.

Your nee to take race out of this issue, it's the religion that is dangerous and is a form of
indoctrination that starts at a very young age.

You can "proof" can not seem to accept that fact that some Muslims simply want to live their own lives in peace

That's not right, if you look Islam is OK if a Muslim does not believe that Allah calls them.
Go learn more about Islam to Jihad the rules of it and how it IS indoctrinated from a very young age.

Where do you think all these terrorists come from?

take a large group of these people, hype then up, get them going speak with authority
convince them that through you Allah, is calling them, and I am sure you will get recruits
from even people who are not crazy, because it's not so much if they are crazy as it is that
they are indoctrinated with what I see as a time bomb since they was a child.
and they take their religion seriously.

It's not the race, so get that idea out of your head.

__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

Sorry if I didn't quote you exactly but how I said it was the same thing.
Your words say that if if a muslim "did not here the calling" they would "turn you over to those Allah called."

What would happen after you were turned over?
You would be killed so how I said it was basically being flippant at your uneducated logic.

"LOOK OVER THERE!! A Non Muslim!!! I can not kill him but you are called by Allah so you go kill him"

That is basically what you said from your words above.

your not very realistic. please go and read up on what took place
in Lebanon. and search for testimonies of peoples who ran to Israel
to escape persecution. then check out France and how large their
Muslim population is. also find the news articles on how they found out
a plot to take over France. and all those Muslims will not help the authorities
to uncover who these plotters are

__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

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That was not an answer it was your "guess."
Guesses are not facts.
So by your own words, you do not agree that "ALL" Muslims agree with the terrorists, just 2/3rd.
Sorry for misquoting you, NOT!

Someone else discounted your guesses with facts so I didn't bother wasting my time replying to that post of yours.
As far as my other non replies.
Again, other "more educated" people than you disputed your opinions so I didn't need to add more to what they said.

Then you went on to say that Muslims have to do mass demonstrations to prove to you that they are not on the side of the terrorists.

Look at what you wrote LOL
You wanted massive Muslim demonstrations after 911 when the world believed that it was muslims that caused 911.

That would be like asking "American pro war advocates" do march in areas that hate Americans.
After 911/ people were doing mass demonstrations in front on mosques around the world.
Do you really thing muslims really wanted to put themselves in that sort of confrontational demonstration?

For the record, I am not the one changing the topics here.
You and Proof brought up the topics of "mass demonstrations" and the topics the "2 out of 114 chapters"
I simply replied to your change in topics.
But thanks for trying to say I changed the topics.

Apart from changing the subject, that just sounds like a conspiracy theories spreading a broad bunch of assumptions without backing them up with unbiased credible sources.
You better start a new topic in this forum for those statements because I'll get accused of "changing the topic."
In a brand new topic you can quote actual specific incidences about Lebanon and the great conspiracy to take over France.
So, start a new post so I can ask more questions on what you said.
I'm sure others in this forum will reply to that new topic and will debunk what you said above.

My REquoting my "Rough guess" WAS an answer to your Allegations of that I believe about ALL Muslims. I wasn't quoting it for it's exactness, but your LIE about my statements.
The Phony/Lying Strawman "all" you have to inject in other's peoples statements so you can 'rebut' it. LOL

Yes of course!
THAT way the Muslims/The Islam YOU speak of could Demonstrate they don't agree (cough) with the actions of those 'few' "Terrorists"/"Radicals".
Like they do in Morocco, Algeria, or Jordan, when Muslims are killed.
Hark!
Nothing would have been more welcomed.

You really are problematic to debate as your logic power is maybe '1' on a scale of 1-10. Or perhaps it's just desperation to say/'answer' something/anything.

if you are quoting me, try quoting the whole lines not just a part to prove your point.
the lines were,

So, you don't like it when Muslims demonstrate when other Muslims are killed.
You think they should do the same demonstrations when Americans or Britains die.
What HYPOCRISY!!!
I fail to see massive American demonstrations when Muslim women and children die!!
I did not see massive American demonstrations when innocent lebanese women and children died at the hands of Israel's random bombing of Lebanon last year.
There were plenty of coverage of that bombing and plenty of pictures of women and children laying dead in the streets.
I did not see massive shouting by Americans condemning those deaths.
You are really starting to show the forum your true one sided HYPOCRISY!!
I've counter every one of your Muslim opinions by showing the exact same thinking within the Christian faith.
Since you are most likely part of that faith in some way or accept it, you don't bother countering with those replies.
I said that after 911 you wanted Muslims to demonstrate in the same public that was trashing mosques as part of vigilante revenge.

For the record, I did not see any mass demonstrations by France, Germans, Italians, Mexicans, Australians etc. after 9/11 condemning the attacks.
I did see radical vigilantes trashing mosques but that's not the kind of demonstrations you are talking about.

Americans do not demonstrate when Muslim women and children die so why should Muslims demonstrate when Americans or Britain die?
What HYPOCRISY!!!

AND! for the record you changed the original topic when you brought up mass demonstrations and other non related topics not me.
I simply replied to them.

Finally, it is clear that you can not have an intellegent debate without resorting to childish name calling toward me so I will not waist any more time with your childish name calling replies.

If you can not debate with respect then do not bother showing us your childish side by name calling.

Once again you dropped your First point about my requote and why I postd it- No answer. Nor to my post at the Top of this page, NOTHING as always, and throughout.

HUH?

Who said I don't like it when Muslims demonstrate in their own countries?
What?
Where do you see that ?%^$%#^#%$#^$#^%#E#%#

I only, and Obviously to all normal people, use it as an example of THEIR hypocrisy not demonstrating here... TOO.
Something you alos faiuled to answer.. why they can't.

Once again You LYINGLY Misquote/Mischaracterize my post And/or have an IQ problem.


Right we just stopped Saddam and Stopped Bosnia... and are trying in Sudan and trying to stop the current Intra-Arab killing in Iraq.

What are Muslims doing to stop Genocide and cleansing? (While they're committing it worldwide)

Splash 8!