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Old 04-22-2007, 05:51 PM
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We are fighting a war and paying for both sides of the war. So what is this "Set America Free"?

"A coalition of tree huggers, do-gooders, sodbusters, cheap hawks, and evangelicals." --R. James Woolsey, former director of the CIA
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America consumes a quarter of the world’s oil supply while holding a mere 3% of global oil reserves. It is therefore forced to import over 60% of its oil, and this dependency is growing. Since most of the world’s oil is controlled by countries that are unstable or at odds with the United States this dependency is a matter of national security. At the strategic level, it is dangerous to be buying billions of dollars worth of oil from nations that are sponsors of or allied with radical Islamists who foment hatred against the United States. The petrodollars we provide such nations contribute materially to the terrorist threats we face.

In time of war, it is imperative that our national expenditures on energy be redirected away from those who use them against us. Even if the underwriting of terror were not such a concern, our present dependency creates unacceptable vulnerabilities.

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We are funding terrorism with our petrodollars. In otherwords, we are paying them to kill us.
Which is why the USA must achieve energy independence asap. Imagine if all those trillions of dollars wasted on the iraqis was instead spent on achieving the goal of energy independence.. A good step towards that goal would be to stop throwing our money into that rathole called Iraq but rather invest it on alternative energy technologies and infrastructure for the USA.
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Three magic words: imported oil quotas.
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A good step towards that goal would be to stop throwing our money into that rathole called Iraq but rather invest it on alternative energy technologies and infrastructure for the USA.
Ok, so how do you do that? Here's the catch...it takes capitalism and industry to accomplish that...and those are two things that the Global Warmanistas are wanting to destroy! Catch 22!

Case in point...I was listening to some subjective "scientist" on the radio yesterday, complaining about nuclear power. Why? Because she said that building a nuclear reactor makes too big of a "carbon footprint" (that's the new catch phrase for the Global Warmanistas). So the host asks, "isn't nuclear power what we're after, to shut down the polluting coal plants?" So this tree-hugger started going off on all the pollution that nuclear power plants STILL cause, and how environmentally bad the uranium and plutonium is, that the plants use. Basically, the "scientist" couldn't come up with a good solution to alternate power, because all she could talk about is how "bad" each solution is.

So the bottom line is, alternate fuels are nice, but no matter what solution becomes available, there's always going to be someone to complain about it, and/or protest against it.
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A good step towards that goal would be to stop throwing our money into that rathole called Iraq but rather invest it on alternative energy technologies and infrastructure for the USA.
Ok, so how do you do that? Here's the catch...it takes capitalism and industry to accomplish that...and those are two things that the Global Warmanistas are wanting to destroy! Catch 22!
Boog, this is not about climate change, so take your partisan hackery somewhere else.

THIS is about achieving Energy Independence for the United States of America.
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I understand. However, my point was that we won't be "independent" from foreign-based fuels, because there is too much bureaucracy involved in what those solutions should be.
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I understand. However, my point was that we won't be "independent" from foreign-based fuels, because there is too much bureaucracy involved in what those solutions should be.
In that case, we must demand better from our bureaucrats. Otherwise we shall remain subservient to foreigners.
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In that case, we must demand better from our bureaucrats. Otherwise we shall remain subservient to foreigners.
I couldn't agree more. But how do you demand "better" from the bureaucrats, when both the Commucrats and Demopublicans think so selfishly? As has been said before, they don't care what we think. And if they DO try to care, their selective hearing is so bad, that they might as well not even bother listening.
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I am utterly indifferent on the issue of global warming. However, America has a long history of unnecessary and counterproductive intervention in oil-rich countries, and I would go so far as to state that as long as we are dependent on foreign oil, we will inevitably have needless wars in the Middle East (like the one in Iraq) that cost thousands of American lives, help no one in other countries, increase the threat of terrorism and run up our national debt to extremely dangerous levels.

Other than MerlinX and a few very libertarian posters, I'm as capitalistic as anyone here, but I make a notable exception where alternative energy is concerned. There must be oversight to prevent corruption, but large-scale subsidization of alternative energy sources is a necessity to prevent the destructive cycle of interventionist foreign policy from continuing and reaching new extremes (in Iran, for example).
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It's always good to see people believing things I've believed all along. However, I would NEVER even joke about the idea of slandering my country by entertaining the idea my tax-payer dollars would have been spent more wisely on something other than the war.
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However, I would NEVER even joke about the idea of slandering my country by entertaining the idea my tax-payer dollars would have been spent more wisely on something other than the war.
Questioning the government's spending policies is slander against the state, eh? So much for that whole democracy thing... However, I'm beginning to suspect that you are a liberal trying to make the ideas of neocons seem even more insane than they actua... that is to say, trying to make their ideas seem insane. I changed the logical course of that last sentence because I was about to state something impossible.
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