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    Default Hanging is not a bad thing ..

    ... for those that deserve it.

    There is a lot of PC nonsense surrounding the death penalty.
    Morality does not demand that those who commit heinous crimes should not be done away with.

    The Iraqis had the good sense to hang Sadam Hussein. And, in the Middle East, there are any number of other deserving candidates. Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad, Netanyahu, the various Abdullahs, Khamenei and who knows who else.

    Only realpolitik intervenes to let them survive. And that is also true in the USA.

    In China, the 2nd and 3rd tiers are regularly shot "pour encouragez les autres".

    More countries should adopt the Chinese moral code.
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    I don't want that in my country. Lethal injection is fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akphidelt View Post
    I don't want that in my country. Lethal injection is fair enough.
    The method is largely immaterial if done properly. The candidates are.

    In the US they are shielded by their money.

    In China, they would be shot.

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    What exactly does the death penalty acheive though? Lower crime rates? Less cost?

    What is the problem that it is supposed to solve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Desolas View Post
    What exactly does the death penalty acheive though? Lower crime rates? Less cost?

    What is the problem that it is supposed to solve?
    Justice and peace of mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Desolas View Post
    What exactly does the death penalty acheive though? Lower crime rates? Less cost?

    What is the problem that it is supposed to solve?
    The Iraqis thought it was a good idea. It rid them of a murderer at a less cost than keeping him alive.

    Think cost-benefit.

    And symbolism.
    Last edited by Awryly; Aug 18 2011 at 07:57 PM.

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    Cost benefit should be done and actually worked out, not just assumed.

    And I don't advocate murder for symbolism. You might, but I think that's immoral.

    And I certainly don't want the iraqi justice system to be held up as a paragon of good justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akphidelt View Post
    Justice and peace of mind!
    Justice isn't revenge.

    Peace of mind? Killing people makes you feel better?
    Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Desolas View Post
    Cost benefit should be done and actually worked out, not just assumed.

    And I don't advocate murder for symbolism. You might, but I think that's immoral.

    And I certainly don't want the iraqi justice system to be held up as a paragon of good justice.
    So you would have kept Sadam alive?

    As you have kept G W Bush alive?
    Last edited by Awryly; Aug 18 2011 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    ... for those that deserve it.

    There is a lot of PC nonsense surrounding the death penalty.
    Morality does not demand that those who commit heinous crimes should not be done away with.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule
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    "We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us."
    -Nietzsche

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