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Old 04-25-2007, 10:07 PM
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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

This documentary is outstanding. It covers how the mainstream media, from Fox News to CNN to the NYT, was complicit to the propaganda goals of the Bush Administration in the run-up to the war. Few dared to question any of the dubious claims on WMD or al Qaeda links and instead disseminated it. These media outlets failed to be responsible, objective and truth-seeking.

A couple of key journalists mentioned are:

NYT journalist William Safire, who called for war with Iraq and predicted a quick win and that we'd be greeted as liberators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire

Former NYT journalist Judith Miller, who wrote numerous articles propagating administration claims:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:33 PM
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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

This documentary is outstanding. It covers how the mainstream media, from Fox News to CNN to the NYT, was complicit to the propaganda goals of the Bush Administration in the run-up to the war. Few dared to question any of the dubious claims on WMD or al Qaeda links and instead disseminated it. These media outlets failed to be responsible, objective and truth-seeking.

A couple of key journalists mentioned are:

NYT journalist William Safire, who called for war with Iraq and predicted a quick win and that we'd be greeted as liberators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire

Former NYT journalist Judith Miller, who wrote numerous articles propagating administration claims:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)
Looks like the dems in congress, who overwhelmingly voted for the war, allowed them selves to be brainwashed, eh? Gosh, they must be pretty stupid then, eh? Including Hillary, eh?
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Moyers tore the MSM a new one. Dan Rather weaseled and squirmed.
It is a long overdue piece of serious journalism and for that reason will be swiftboated by the Borg.

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How many of you support a member of congress, who was given the same information
that came from our security agencies as well as other country's security agencies, who now
claim they was duped? who now are claiming that they too were not competent enough to
check out the info? after all this is why it was sent to congress.

These same people flipped on their own judgments and decisions. I would respect an individual
more if they just said they too made a mistake. Now ask yourself, can you trust their judgment now?

I can't trust people like that, while I trust those who live up to the mistake.
it's called integrity.
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Well, surely Moyers didn't start with the Bush administration, did he? After all, I recall in October of 2002, Senator Hillary Clinton saying she did NOT rely solely on the Bush administration for her information in making her decision to vote FOR the war. She claimed that she had done her "due diligence" in making her decision and had discussed it with former Clinton administration officials as well. You knew she wouldn't rely on anyone more than hubby's crew, right?

The there was the UN. UNSCOM's report in 1999 listed TONS OF UNACCOUNTED FOR WMD AND WMD MATERIALS in Iraq. That was AFTER we were kicked out. So....where did they go? OR was the UN's UNSCOM lying?

What about Saddam's son-in-law who defected in 1996...and while he was out of Iraq told of Saddam's wmd programs? This would be the same son-in-law who made the mistake of returning to Iraq and was promptly murdered.

Even Saddam's own Generals believed they had wmd's.

And that's because he did. The world may have been wrong about stockpiles....but it was made clear in the Duelfer Report that Saddam kept a program in place and had every intention of starting it back up once he wormed his way out of the sanctions.....which is was on his way to doing.

WE got rid of Iraq's biggest wmd: Saddam Hussein.
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These same people flipped on their own judgments and decisions. I would respect an individual
more if they just said they too made a mistake.
Edwards has admitted the mistake for voting for the war authorization - certainly not the same as "voting for the war" (right-wing spin) but close. I don't think Clinton has admitted her mistake yet. Many Democrats are waiting for it. Bush and most of his supporters certainly haven't.

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Now ask yourself, can you trust their judgment now?

I can't trust people like that, while I trust those who live up to the mistake.
it's called integrity.
That would exclude nearly all Republicans by this standard. You're still left with Obama, Edwards (admitted a mistake) and the 133 House members and 23 Senators who voted against the authorization.
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Well, surely Moyers didn't start with the Bush administration, did he? .
Had you actually seen the documentary, JP, you would have quickly realized that it wasn't about the political fantasies spun by the Administration. It was about the main stream media who bought the story- hence the title of the piece.
Moyers work would have given you ammo against Dan Rather and the rest of the so-called "liberal" media.

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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

This documentary is outstanding. It covers how the mainstream media, from Fox News to CNN to the NYT, was complicit to the propaganda goals of the Bush Administration in the run-up to the war. Few dared to question any of the dubious claims on WMD or al Qaeda links and instead disseminated it. These media outlets failed to be responsible, objective and truth-seeking.

A couple of key journalists mentioned are:

NYT journalist William Safire, who called for war with Iraq and predicted a quick win and that we'd be greeted as liberators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire

Former NYT journalist Judith Miller, who wrote numerous articles propagating administration claims:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)
Looks like the dems in congress, who overwhelmingly voted for the war, allowed them selves to be brainwashed, eh? Gosh, they must be pretty stupid then, eh? Including Hillary, eh?
Amazing how people love to label Dems now.
BOTH PARTIES AGREED with this war!!
When you acuse Dems as being stupid, the REPS were just as stupid.
Since this war is a totally unwinable Civil war now, maybe the Dems can be acussed of "smartening up and wanting to get out because all this war is not doing is now spreading Hate toward Americans all around the world.
The Reps still do not have any clear cut goals as how to win this war.
Just very vage statements like "When Iraqi people can defend themselves."
show me clear cut defined goals like there were when this war started.
"Get rid of Saddam" was a clear cut goal.
"Finding WMDs" was a clear cut goal.
Stop the blame game!!
It simply makes America look Divided and stupid around the world.
CHILDREN play the blame game!!!
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I saw the left wing hack hocking this on Bill Maher. One thing he didn't mention is the fact that a host of international diplomats and leaders believed the same exact thing. Or that many major international media outlets didn't question the intelligence either.
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I saw the left wing hack hocking this on Bill Maher. One thing he didn't mention is the fact that a host of international diplomats and leaders believed the same exact thing. Or that many major international media outlets didn't question the intelligence either.
If everyone believed your administration's lies why couldnt they get the second resolution? People were laughing openly on the BBC while discussing Colin Powell's 'performance' while hawking that tripe at the UN. It was laughable then...its not so funny now.

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