Thread: I agree with Global Warming SCIENCE, but not Global Warmign POLICY, they are not same

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Like 99 percent of pundits and politicians, though, I have no business chiming in on the science of climate change -- though my kids' teachers sure are experts. Needless to say, there is a spectacular array of viewpoints on this issue. The answers are far from settled. There are debates over how much humans contribute. There are debates over how much warming we're seeing. There are debates over many things.

But even if one believed the most terrifying projections of global warming alarmist "science," it certainly doesn't mean one has to support the anti-capitalist technocracy to fix it. And try as some may to conflate the two, global warming policy is not "science." The left sees civilization's salvation in a massive Luddite undertaking that inhibits technological growth by turning back the clock, undoing footprints, forcing technology that doesn't exist, banning products that do and badgering consumers who have not adhered to the plan through all kinds of punishment. Yet there is no real science that has shown that any of it makes a whit of difference.

There is really not much more to be said, the environmental left are the modern Luddites who are intentionally crippling the economy of Western Civilization right at the time when we need every ounce of comparative advantage we can muster. We are intentionally handing the economic power of the planet over to the Asians and for what? A secular Earth Religion? Why does environmentalism have to be anti-capitalist?

Want "science"? Well there is absolutely NO scientific indicator that crippling the Western industrial economy with Luddite policies is going to make a (*)(*)(*)(*) bit a difference in the atmosphere, but it will sure make a (*)(*)(*)(*) bit of difference when it comes comparative advantage and competition with the Asian Hive Mind.

Global Warming Luddite Policies are one of the primary vehicles of Western Decline.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

There is really not much more to be said, the environmental left are the modern Luddites who are intentionally crippling the economy of Western Civilization right at the time when we need every ounce of comparative advantage we can muster. We are intentionally handing the economic power of the planet over to the Asians and for what? A secular Earth Religion?

Want "science"? Well there is absolutely NO scientific indicator that crippling the Western industrial economy with Luddite policies is going to make a (*)(*)(*)(*) bit a difference in the atmosphere, but it will sure make a (*)(*)(*)(*) bit of difference when it comes comparative advantage and competition with the Asian Hive Mind.

Global Warming Luddite Policies are one of the primary vehicles of Western Decline.

How do you expect people to tkae you seriously when you liken the Chinese to the Borg?

Originally Posted by kmisho

How do you expect people to tkae you seriously when you liken the Chinese to the Borg?

The Chinese are a monolithic society. There is no dissent allowed, if you dissent you are imprisoned, possibly shot and your organs sold on the organ black market.

Sounds exactly like something the borg would do IMO. You know, "defective units" and all that. But none of that has to do with the OP. You don't have to take me seriously, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I totally agree. And, when I hear the scientists extolling the virtues of smoking Chesterfields on Old Time Radio, I believe them, too.

I believe the climate has been warming. I'll go out on a limb and say that's why the glaciers that covered much of what is now the U.S. disappeared over 20,000 years ago.

The "science" isn't science when the alleged scientists don't follow the scientific process. Sharing data, sharing process, seeking peer review are not part of the climate "research". My favorite excuse was one scientist who refused to release his data because opponents would use it to discredit his findings. That's enough for me to consider his findings discredited.

And, computer modeling. I love computer modeling. Ever play "Sim City"? That's computer modeling. With computer models, the results depend totally on how the "researcher" chooses to program the computer.

Yes, the planet is getting warmer. The "research" is designed to support the plan of higher taxes and massive international income redistribution.

It's bogus.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

You don't have to take me seriously, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Lol don't worry, even if you are correct I don't think anyone's made that mistake.

Originally Posted by Small_government_caligula

Lol don't worry, even if you are correct I don't think anyone's made that mistake.

Says the guy with 212 posts as if he's a veteran with his hand on the pulse of the PF community!

I kind of agree. I think Climate Change exists. I do not think it's as fast as people claim. I'm open to less restrictions (within reasonable limits... LA shouldn't become smog town again).

That said, what if we're wrong and 100 years from now the sky is always brown? :P

I say leave it up to the scientists to decided what measures must be taken to preserve our world and not the stupid obviously bought ones. Maybe it's completely necessary to have the restrictions. Sometimes the right thing isn't the cheapest thing or easiest thing. Money isn't everything.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

Says the guy with 212 posts as if he's a veteran with his hand on the pulse of the PF community!

Listen. I think you're smart, and I agree with alot of your views. However, your painful habit of posting the same (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing every day and your smug bastard nature just ruins whatever otherwise insightful things you might say. Sorry but that's the truth. I don't need to spend all my time on here and have 100000+ posts to know what poop smells like.

Most climate change policies are about limiting our oil consumption. Which I am all about. For too long we have allowed hostile dictatorships to have control over oil prices and thus have control over our economy. The 70s was an entire lost decade of economic growth due to Opec literally staging an economic attack on us. And it'll happen again, I guarantee it. The sooner we get off foreign oil the better our nation will be.

As for climate change. It's happening. It's man made. And there is little we can do to stop it at this point. What's done is done.

I wish the west coast would start oil drilling. We have a lot of oil off the shore but everyone here is so against it. With the proper safety and responsibility it's fully possible to do this correctly.