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Old 05-03-2007, 11:02 PM
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Default Michigan State U forced to end lib thought control program

Geeez - right out of The Manchurian Candidate.

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Old 05-04-2007, 06:57 AM
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Let's see here. I don't trust FIRE, as they are themselves a very very partisan group. I've made fun of them in the past for their "testimonials" where kids blame their inability to write a %@#%@ paper on school bias.
Sometimes it's real... Most of the time, I bet it's not. Students not accepting responsibility is a more common phenomenon than discriminatory bias.

from the link in the article, a document outlining SAC:

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Examples of appropriate referrals include students who:
1. Appear to have an "anger control" problem
2. Get violent or destroy property when drinking
3. Use derogatory ethnic and gender slurs against another student during an argument.4. Try to intimidate the judicial board during a hearing.
5. Use abusive behaviors that have come to the attention of judicial affairs through another complaint.
6. Say they "Just lost control."
Emphases mine.

The program was OBVIOUSLY intended to give abusive kids who can't control themselves another shot before doing what they should do in the first place, which is take them out to the hall and say "GET THE #$#^#$$% OUT OF MY CLASS!"- which of course profs are not allowed to do, thanks to liberals controlling the schools.
I can't necessarily account for any abuses of the policy... From my experiences with FIRE propaganda, I'd suggest they exaggerate how often... and te abuses need individual attention and review.
The policy itself seems OBVIOUSLY aimed at signs of abuse... often direct evidence of abuse.

I hope FIRE gets what they wish for and that these rotten little #$@#%s that can't be civil in public or avoid abusing fellow students and faculty just get expelled instantly for their behavior without the PC friendliness.
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Let's see here. I don't trust FIRE, as they are themselves a very very partisan group.
FIRE is a group that's stopped lib fascism in the academy over and over. They've stepped in where the ACLU has mysteriously failed to protect free speech,etc, on campus. When they've confronted PC university tyrants, they almost always back down - speaks for itself. And yes, FIRE is a partisan group - unfortunately in this day and age with lib fascism sticking its ugly tentacles everywhere, supporting the constitution DOES make you a partisan group.
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Yeah right. I've watched these guys make a big crusade out of getting underachiever students into a spectacle against the Liberal Establishment TM for a few years now. That Horowitz guy is an "ex" liberal. Frankly I think he's just decided that affirmative action should be applied to political ideology in education... Seems to be his logic.
He still sounds like a modern-day-liberal... just on the other side.

And this seems to be in line with his usual work... I'm taking it that his primary problem is with the kids who are being "discriminated against" for saying "Just lost control."

I wonder how much attention and funding he gets off all this silliness...

In this case anyway it's very obvious the policy is about students that are actually overly aggressive, disruptive, and possibly dangerous... and it puts them into pseudo-counseling in order to try to get them on track rather than kicking them out instantly or forcing them into real counseling where their lives could be complicated quite a bit... It's a mercy to these obnoxious little punks.

And like I said... it's entirely possible the program could be abused... but that would be the fault of individual faculty members, not the policy itself.
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Yeah right. I've watched these guys make a big crusade out of getting underachiever students into a spectacle against the Liberal Establishment TM for a few years now. That Horowitz guy is an "ex" liberal. Frankly I think he's just decided that affirmative action should be applied to political ideology in education... Seems to be his logic.
He still sounds like a modern-day-liberal... just on the other side.
I have no clue what you're talking asbout, and I doubt anybody else does.

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And this seems to be in line with his usual work... I'm taking it that his primary problem is with the kids who are being "discriminated against" for saying "Just lost control."
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I don't trust FIRE, as they are themselves a very very partisan group. I've made fun of them in the past for their "testimonials" where kids blame their inability to write a %@#%@ paper on school bias.
I agree - I wouldn't trust FIRE as far as I could throw it. The group is freakishly prone to conspiracy theory. They single out kids who can't cut it in the academic world, and blame it on some far fetched conspiracy involving liberal bias in academia. It's a ridiculous group. In fact, at it's core, it reminds me of affirmative action like none other.
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Frankly I'm becoming more and more convinced that FIRE is a liberal organization whose main goal is to embarass conservatives.
Why else would they attack a program intended to stop abusive students as being "liberal thought control"? They are essentially calling abusive, aggressive actions and those caused by unrestrained anger to be conservative traits.
Why in the hell would a conservative org want to do that?
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I don't trust FIRE, as they are themselves a very very partisan group. I've made fun of them in the past for their "testimonials" where kids blame their inability to write a %@#%@ paper on school bias.
I agree - I wouldn't trust FIRE as far as I could throw it. The group is freakishly prone to conspiracy theory. They single out kids who can't cut it in the academic world, and blame it on some far fetched conspiracy involving liberal bias in academia. It's a ridiculous group. In fact, at it's core, it reminds me of affirmative action like none other.
This is pure, stupid defamation - they do nothing of the kind. - crawl back in your hole.
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This is pure, stupid defamation - they do nothing of the kind. - crawl back in your hole.
Can't be defamation if it's true.
What is not affirmative action about a group that expects universities to hire quotas of conservatives?
And let's face it. If you read half the testimonials, you know (*)(*)(*)(*) well the kids are dunces looking for an excuse for their lack of brainpower.
Isn't the conservative thing to do supposed to be to do what you have to do to get through school and worry about righting wrongs later? That's what is expected of poor people, blacks, and everyone else...
Yet somehow conservative college kids are a special case.

Liberal Horowitz is making a fool of y'all.
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I don't trust FIRE, as they are themselves a very very partisan group. I've made fun of them in the past for their "testimonials" where kids blame their inability to write a %@#%@ paper on school bias.
I agree - I wouldn't trust FIRE as far as I could throw it. The group is freakishly prone to conspiracy theory. They single out kids who can't cut it in the academic world, and blame it on some far fetched conspiracy involving liberal bias in academia. It's a ridiculous group. In fact, at it's core, it reminds me of affirmative action like none other.
This is pure, stupid defamation - they do nothing of the kind. - crawl back in your hole.
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